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Cannon Shell 03-10-2010 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
My guess is that the racing office in NY is going to keep tabs on who is shipping out of town and use Saratoga stalls as an inducement to have guys stay at home during (so as to protect) the Belmont spring meet. For example, the guy who had 18 stalls at Saratoga in 2009 might only get 10 stalls if he frequents the Jersey shore during the spring. My experience is that owners want to see their horses while they are in Saratoga, and trainers often have to juggle various competing interests given the limited stalls they have here.

If we were talking stalls in NY now, you are correct, it would be meaningless. But let's not forget that for the last few years, there haven't been enough stalls at Belmont from April - November (once the grass season begins), and that situation will be exacerbated if NYRA closes Aqueduct for training. There will be more horses heading to the Oklahoma for off-season training as it is.

I suppose they could do that but the thing is more guys may choose to split the stable between Saratoga and Belmont during july/Aug and ship the ones stabled at Belmont to Mth to run during the Saratoga meet. Hell guys have already been doing that without huge purses ay Mth. The truth is that holding smaller trainers under their thumb wont accomplish all that much. Many of them have NYbreds as the majority of their horses and will run in NY regardless. The 7 or 8 outfits with all the good horses in NY are mostly already split with Monmouth and they know that NYRA cant really do anything to them. Remember NY has traditionally closed Aqu for training during the Saratoga season already.

randallscott35 03-10-2010 07:46 PM

Chuck are you going to get some Jersey stalls? I will muck.

Cannon Shell 03-10-2010 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Chuck are you going to get some Jersey stalls? I will muck.

No but we may make the short trip over from philly on occasion

randallscott35 03-10-2010 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
No but we may make the short trip over from philly on occasion

With the F U money available here, I would say that trip is worth it.

Cannon Shell 03-10-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
With the F U money available here, I would say that trip is worth it.

Huge purses are great... if you have a chance of getting some of it

The Indomitable DrugS 03-10-2010 09:06 PM

Come to PID .... Wismer and his band of Bernie Cozar's are like a top 5 stable here.

There's also a strip club out in Harborcreek that would win rave reviews from Scav.

GPK 03-10-2010 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Come to PID .... Wismer and his band of Bernie Cozar's are like a top 5 stable here.

There's also a strip club out in Harborcreek that would win rave reviews from Scav.

What kind of numbers does Wismer produce at PID? He's God awful at TBD

philcski 03-10-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
What kind of numbers does Wismer produce at PID? He's God awful at TBD

He's incredible at PID. Owns the joint.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-10-2010 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
What kind of numbers does Wismer produce at PID? He's God awful at TBD

In the 3 year history of PID - he's 6th all-time in races won.

37 for 175 - 21% wins - $3.45 ROI

But yeah - he's struggled a little bit in dirt races at Tampa - he's 3-for-202 since 2006 there. Winning at a 1.4% clip with an ROI of $0.13

GPK 03-10-2010 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
In the 3 year history of PID - he's 6th all-time in races won.

37 for 175 - 21% wins - $3.45 ROI

But yeah - he's struggled a little bit in dirt races at Tampa - he's 3-for-202 since 2006 there. Winning at a 1.4% clip with an ROI of $0.13

That's amazing.

Cannon Shell 03-19-2010 10:56 PM

Gomez may ride Monmouth


http://www.drf.com/news/article/111576.html

MaTH716 03-20-2010 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Oh man, you see how they bet Bravo when he rides. You've ain't seen nothing yet if Go-Go decides to come.

freddymo 03-20-2010 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Oh man, you see how they bet Bravo when he rides. You've ain't seen nothing yet if Go-Go decides to come.

With Bravo he was typically on one of two live horses in a race of 5. With this new structure the fields will be stacked and Gomez will be over bet because of his abilty but nothing like the way Bravo was mostly because of field size

MaTH716 03-20-2010 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
With Bravo he was typically on one of two live horses in a race of 5. With this new structure the fields will be stacked and Gomez will be over bet because of his abilty but nothing like the way Bravo was mostly because of field size

Agreed, that he usually had a live mount. But there are plenty of times where he gets absolutely pounded at the windows just cause he's Joe Bravo. Almost like Jerry Bailey wherever he was riding.

freddymo 03-20-2010 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Agreed, that he usually had a live mount. But there are plenty of times where he gets absolutely pounded at the windows just cause he's Joe Bravo. Almost like Jerry Bailey wherever he was riding.

Bravo will be lucky to ride 1 fav a day now

Left Bank 03-20-2010 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
In the 3 year history of PID - he's 6th all-time in races won.

37 for 175 - 21% wins - $3.45 ROI

But yeah - he's struggled a little bit in dirt races at Tampa - he's 3-for-202 since 2006 there. Winning at a 1.4% clip with an ROI of $0.13

Isn't Merrill Scherer a big shot there also?

randallscott35 03-20-2010 12:17 PM

Can't believe GoGo is coiming to Jersey. That's awesome.

MaTH716 03-20-2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Can't believe GoGo is coiming to Jersey. That's awesome.

I have a feeling he's gong to be on the Saratoga/Monmouth shuttle.

randallscott35 03-20-2010 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
I have a feeling he's gong to be on the Saratoga/Monmouth shuttle.

The helicopter working overtime.

RockHardTen1985 03-20-2010 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
The helicopter working overtime.

Jerry rode First Samuari in a Toga Allowance, then took the helicopter to ride Roman Ruler in the Haskell hours later.


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