What period of their training careers were they not using an edge? No one is saying that they are idiots. But trying to disregard the stain of drugs on these guys reputations makes it hard for some of us to declare them the geniuses that you seem to want to annoint them as.

If you want to crown em, crown their asses

They are allowed, that is the difference. You, freddy, are one of the problems in this sport,game,business or whatever you want to call it. You want to disregard the intent by saying they just want to win as though breaking the rules is acceptable. Or you want to gloss over the records of past abuse. or you want to lump all meds in one big basket. You my friend are the voice of a many owners who use these excuses to justify hiring a guy with a poor track record. And THAT is the greatest obstacle this sport, game business has in cleaning up its act.

I am awaiting your private reply.

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chuck i know you kidded me about this in the past , but gander mentioned it earlier in the thread

just how does lind rice go from winning a major meet to not being competitive at all at bel or aqu so far , are the horses simply tired . she wasn't just winning turf sprints at sar was she?

I have no idea gales. Let it go man

i think it's always serious when a trainer gets caught. but since a split sample has yet to be tested, maybe he's getting a break til they know for sure?

the issue isn't with the cheating-it's the lack of real punishment. why else would people keep pushing? they don't think they'd get caught, but if they do, it's a 'vacation'. for others, it's a lot of vacations!

fair eneough

Know what the issue is with me? They don't even seem to be able to figure out how to cheat "well" - where there's a real benefit! :D

You got a thing for LR dont you?

It isnt even the time. It is not losing business and in the most perverse case, actually gaining business while suspended. hell if you gave guys no days but they lost 25% of their horses for every serious positive you'd see a different attitude towards violations.

not really , chuck i really had a thing for diane nelson thou if u really want to know

who would have thought!!!!!!!

Didn't you have a connection with him with Divine Park? Makes one think there may be a laundry list of Barry Bond's that ran for that stable...

No it's not. He answered me.

Some of this stuff makes me laugh - just because they throw something into a horse doesn't mean it does what they want or hope.

This thread is the highway. I am the car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7dx7efwYPA

This is a serious discussion. Levity is not allowed.

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