Originally Posted by hi_im_god

two very fine, well thought out posts.

i'll challenge you on one aspect which is the idea that lack of proof means that evidence for both sides is equal. i'd argue that an extraordinary proposition requires extraordinary proof and the lack of such evidence supports the idea that it isn't true.

if we're discussing bigfoot, does the fact that doubter's can't "prove" it doesn't exist to the satisfaction of believers mean both sides of the argument have equal standing? or are we allowed to consider that a breeding population of large land mammals would leave behind some irrefutable evidence (skeleton's, droppings, etc.) and the lack thereof supports the idea the idea that bigfoot is bunk?

i know a supernatural entity might not leave behind such traces. but why does the lack of "proof" lead to the conclusion that both sides could be right? there's a higher burden on those making the truly extraordinary claim to prove their case.

i don't begrudge anyone their beliefs. i know a lot of great thoughtful, kindhearted, christians. you seem like one of those. but i don't characterize my thoughts on god as "faith" (as a later poster suggested) anymore than i would my thoughts on gravity. both are unseen forces. only one has observable proof.

Originally Posted by GBBob

Not bad for a neo-con:D


It's weird..I have gone to Christmas mass with very good friends and it's a very peaceful experience. I almost feel jealous that they are so happy and convinced that what they are doing by eating crackers and drinking wine is special.

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

There is no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the constitution.
It reads.."Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" Nothing at all about "separation".

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html

Atheists are ok so long as they're not Commies too.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Barry Bonds

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Originally Posted by Danzig

just read this article, and remembered this thread...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091211/...ess_politician

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i had no idea pete stark was a godless heathen who'll burn in hell forever. and i live in his state.

that says something about the organizing power of belief.

and why ghost stories are more popular than documentaries.

Originally Posted by Riot

Maybe someone should point out to Mr. Edgerton The Christian that God most obviously wanted Pete Stark to win ;)

Ask him why he's trying to overturn God's work?