i threw a shoe at my husband, but he didn't run a step.

A bigger mystery is how he went off at only 50-1, as if we had enough of derby myths, no dirt wins, gelding, 81 beyer top, no name trainer(never heard of the guy until today), obviously someone bet him, should have been 100-1.

Would have thrown in the 2 prep rule but that has long been debunked.

i doubt anyone even knew he was a gelding. i didn't pay one bit of attention to him going in. did anyone?
maybe people who bet him mistook him for summer bird-it happened last year when people bet big truck instead of big brown.

Because after Giacomo no longshots seem to go off at their " correct " odds in the win pool. He was closer to his appropriate odds ( 150:1ish ) in the exotic pools.

I didn't even think of this till now, but the RA with all in the derby/oaks double must have been a big payoff. Travis touched on that this week if a longshot came in for the latter part of the double.

YES. I was hoping some one would seize the joke. I was setting it up for someone. Bravo.

Which makes the Preakness an even more interesting race IF they run, many answers to questions we(I) need answered.

the joke has been played for two years, thats why no one really replied.

The poster who ever so cleverly fell for it has, apparently, been busy for the last two years.

Papa Clem really threw in a clunker. Had an absolute dream trip and was bullied out of 2nd and 3rd. I call it the Gary Stute lean.

He is an ok horse, the best two horses in socal got hurt, and the third best only won a mdn before getting hurt.

Dunkirk was my pick and It is likely he has more upside than all but the "other" bird horse but it certainly isn't inconceivable that anyone in today's race could come back in the Preakness and run huge.As a matter of fact it was just a few years ago that a lightly raced horse got an education in the derby and came back to nose out the Derby winner in the Preakness after getting crushed in the Derby.

So with similar reasoning in which many experts used to answer the question "who is the horse that will show improvement going from synthetic to dirt for the first time" and answer "I'm not sure but if you do choose one don't take the short price" then Summer Bird rather than Dunkirk should be the choice over Calvin Borail in the Preakness.
future Preakness result
1-Summer Bird by nose over
2-Mine that Bird by (indeterminate at this time) over
3-POTN (equates to Hard Spun only in finishing position from derby to preakness) (If I remember correctly without looking)

Maybe I missed something in the story along the way, but I don't understand why brisnet.com had Richard Mandella
listed as the trainer of Mine That Bird the day prior to the post position draw.

Here's the link, in case it still works:

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2009/si...es/dby4-23.pdf

Agree wholeheartedly with Blackthroatedwind. If Mine That Bird DOES NOT win the race, the final time would have been in the 2:03.40 range - awful.

I'm absolutely baffled at how the track remained sloppy the entire day. There was no rain over the eight hour period from opening changes to the Derby...and it still looked like there was standing water on the track. Compared to last year - even though there was sun on Saturday, there was a TON of rain on Friday, and all through the night, and the track was fast by mid-card.

there were very strong winds that year that helped dry the track out. Today there was no sun and no wind

He should've been 500-1. People who bet him to win got jipped majorly.

Mine That Bird beat Advice in Sunland....would anyone have been as shocked if Advice won??? Maybe those Sunland figures really aren't accurate. Good horses run at Sunland almost never, so maybe something just got messed up when calculating those speed figures.