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Mortimer 11-13-2008 11:46 AM

I'm surprised you haven't got in Derby Kit's pants.

Mortimer 11-13-2008 11:50 AM

Ah wonder when The Panda comes out of the closet?



Will Steve come with him?








Let's watch.

Should be fun.

Coach Pants 11-13-2008 11:51 AM


Mortimer 11-13-2008 11:53 AM

And now ..for your enjoyment---coming out of the closet we have those 2 lovable Kentuckians....Rose and Thebby InMay.


Let's give the InMays a really big hand.

Mortimer 11-13-2008 11:54 AM

Hey--I don't coach pants.



Some day maybe you can explain away your gay friend----DDT HeCried.

Antitrust32 11-13-2008 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Ah wonder when The Panda comes out of the closet?



Will Steve come with him?








Let's watch.

Should be fun.


that is funnY!

Mortimer 11-13-2008 12:19 PM

And as you know...the Browns are noted for their Dawg defense.


Oh my God.





Anyhooo---that is why they hired Romeo Kennel.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-13-2008 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
I would like to know which part is Hall worthy. The part where people choose to be gay or the straight couple that don't get benefits because they choose not to get married?

is it really shameful to believe that people prefer a lifestyle than to say they are genetically inclined that have no control ?

When you're told over n' over again, then you'd think you would believe them, but you know better than them? They're bluffing huh? If their families know they're gay, then I doubt they've ever been asked by their family "when are you gunna settle down with someone?" I It isn't cherished by families. At most it's "accepted." So, why would they make a choice to do something that isn't cherished? Why would they do this?

AeWingnut 11-13-2008 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
When you're told over n' over again, then you'd think you would believe them, but you know better than them? They're bluffing huh? If their families know they're gay, then I doubt they've ever been asked by their family "when are you gunna settle down with someone?" I It isn't cherished by families. At most it's "accepted." So, why would they make a choice to do something that isn't cherished? Why would they do this?


I don't know why people vote the way they vote

I guess I should do that "it's above my pay grade" thing

AeWingnut 11-13-2008 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
that was a really good post. shame that some will completely ignore it and continue with what they think, rather then learn from what people who know, who are living it, will tell them.

is everything about me;)

GenuineRisk 11-13-2008 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
When you're told over n' over again, then you'd think you would believe them, but you know better than them? They're bluffing huh? If their families know they're gay, then I doubt they've ever been asked by their family "when are you gunna settle down with someone?" I It isn't cherished by families. At most it's "accepted." So, why would they make a choice to do something that isn't cherished? Why would they do this?

To put it another way, if the world were reversed and same-sex couples were the norm and opposite-sex coupling was taboo, could you suddenly adapt to that and find the same sex sexually attractive because society says you should?

One of my roommates in college had a father who was gay. But he tried to do "the right thing"- he got married, had a kid and tried until my roommate was ten, when he finally came out of the closet. There was a bad divorce, and her mom never dated afterwards that I know of- I think her ability to trust anyone was permanently shattered. Expecting a gay person to suck it up and marry a straight person does not make for healthy marriages for anyone involved.

Mortimer 11-13-2008 07:28 PM

^^^^ Has gay husband.

AeWingnut 11-13-2008 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DerbyCat

I'd like to discuss the "I chose to be gay". Who the h*ll would *choose* to be gay? Who *chooses* to be born tall or short, with brown eyes or blond hair, webbed toes - who chooses to be significantly different in any way? Why is 10% of the population left handed? Did you *choose* to like the opposite sex? I'm sorry for all of the folks born straight who just don't get it but I didn't choose this - I *knew* when I was 4 years old that I liked Lisa in my pre-school class the same way that my best friend Tommy liked her, but unfortunately, I absolutely knew in 1970 that a girl liking a girl was not cool - and how sad is that for a four year old kid to know that what they feel at the core of their very being is "not acceptable". It sucks.

you don't have to act on impulses. You could just fake it like Da... I tease.

I prefer to believe in free will and that it isn't a genetic thing. Some believe it insulting to say that homosexuality is like being autistic.

I don't remember being 4 yrs old but I find it hard to believe that 4 yr olds are sexually attracted to anything. I'm sure NAMBLA would disagree :eek:

I'm not gay so I'll take your word for it.

So what now.. over turn democracy? if we throw out the votes you don't like can I throw out the ones I don't?

GenuineRisk 11-13-2008 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
you don't have to act on impulses. You could just fake it like Da... I tease.

I prefer to believe in free will and that it isn't a genetic thing. Some believe it insulting to say that homosexuality is like being autistic.

I don't remember being 4 yrs old but I find it hard to believe that 4 yr olds are sexually attracted to anything. I'm sure NAMBLA would disagree :eek:

I'm not gay so I'll take your word for it.

So what now.. over turn democracy? if we throw out the votes you don't like can I throw out the ones I don't?


AE, could you be attracted to your own sex if you had to be? If it was required of you, could you do it? Honestly, could you?

GenuineRisk 11-13-2008 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
you don't have to act on impulses. You could just fake it like Da... I tease.

I prefer to believe in free will and that it isn't a genetic thing. Some believe it insulting to say that homosexuality is like being autistic.

I don't remember being 4 yrs old but I find it hard to believe that 4 yr olds are sexually attracted to anything. I'm sure NAMBLA would disagree :eek:

I'm not gay so I'll take your word for it.

So what now.. over turn democracy? if we throw out the votes you don't like can I throw out the ones I don't?

For what it's worth, I had my first crush at age 5- on Harry Belafonte. My parents had the "Live at Carnegie Hall" album and I liked to sit with the cover and look at the photos of him... sigh...

Mortimer 11-13-2008 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
AE, could you be attracted to your own sex if you had to be? If it was required of you, could you do it? Honestly, could you?

^^^^ Hides gay husband in broom closet.

DerbyCat 11-13-2008 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
you don't have to act on impulses. You could just fake it like Da... I tease.

I prefer to believe in free will and that it isn't a genetic thing. Some believe it insulting to say that homosexuality is like being autistic.

I don't remember being 4 yrs old but I find it hard to believe that 4 yr olds are sexually attracted to anything. I'm sure NAMBLA would disagree :eek:

I'm not gay so I'll take your word for it.

So what now.. over turn democracy? if we throw out the votes you don't like can I throw out the ones I don't?


Ok, I'll bite... "don't act on impulse"? And if someone said to you, "don't sneeze, don't blink, don't breath - don't FALL IN LOVE", could you/would you do it? It's not an impulse, it's something within my core being, it is who and what I am - the same way as I have black hair and brown eyes - sure, I could dye my hair and wear blue contacts but I'd still be a brown eyed brunette at my core. Do I be true to myself and live comfortably (because I am very comfortable in my own skin and secure in who I am) or do I try to change myself so that others are more comfortable with me? Where really is the threat in someone gay? Why do people get so bent out of shape by it? It's not contagious, me loving my wife will not make anyone else love their wife any less, and most importantly - why is who I love any business of yours? (ok, besides the fact that I told everyone I love a woman... but besides that :o ).

As for overturning the law, the constitution protects the rights of the minority, the majority can not impose it's will on the few when it violates their right to equal treatment. It's about minority rights vs. majority rule. That is why the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the minority in cases like Brown vs. Board of Education and Loving vs. Virginia – each of us has constitutional rights that the majority can not take from us – and that even includes the Supreme Court overturning the District of Columbia’s ban on handguns – the Constitution says we get to own guns! Laws aren’t always right which is why lawmakers can’t pass laws and the people can’t vote to take others rights away once the Supreme Court has said so – and that is what is wrong with Prop 8, the California Supreme Court said same-sex couples had the Constitutional right to marry. The only thing Prop 8 did was delay the process until the U.S. Supreme Court makes a ruling. I’m betting on the Constitution.

Cannon Shell 11-13-2008 11:25 PM

who the hell cares about prop 8. You have to be retarded to want to get married anyway...

GPK 11-13-2008 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
who the hell cares about prop 8. You have to be retarded to want to get married anyway...


Thats what I'm talking about. Hence the reason some of us just take a seat in the dugout after only 1 strike:wf

Cannon Shell 11-13-2008 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Thats what I'm talking about. Hence the reason some of us just take a seat in the dugout after only 1 strike:wf

Tens of millions of straight men are hoping for prop 8 for their state:wf


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