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Antitrust32

10-13-2008 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

yeah, that is like ripping your toe nail off...No conspircy here :)

Not true... they just painted the foot to look like that.. ;)

RollerDoc

10-13-2008 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

So then you believe Stardom Bound and Vineyard Haven have both had better years than Commentator? If Stardom Bound wins the BC Juv Fillies and Zenyatta loses the Distaff, they've had an equal year because they've got the same number of grade ones? Or she's had a better one than Proud Spell and her two grade ones? Or Indian Blessing and her two grade ones? Hell, let's take it further. If Stardom Bound wins her third grade one in the BC, she will have had a better single season than Commentator has had a CAREER cause he's only won two grade ones in his career. She would be the equal of Medaglia d' Oro and his three grade one wins in his career. She'd pass Smarty Jones and his two. She'd equal Afleet Alex and his three. One more and she's had as good a career as Ghostzapper.

I will humbly bow out of this argument since it will only go back and forth. You make excellent points. For my money, Big Brown did have the best year in horse racing in 2008 as detailed earlier. I stand by it.

RollerDoc

10-13-2008 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Give it up. It's not worth defending him, for one you won't win the argument and two there is no definitive answer.

Just so you know, for my money, Big Brown is HOY unless Curlin wins the BC or if Curlin doesn't, then Zenyatta has a chance to steal it with a dominating Distaff or even moreso with a Classic win.

I figured Big Brown could only have won HOY had he won the BCC. Interesting to know he is still in the running. Even if he cannot run.

smuthg

10-13-2008 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

yeah, that is like ripping your toe nail off...No conspircy here :)

Like I said, "assuming that's Big Brown's hoof" :)

King Glorious

10-13-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

And that's perfectly fine. I won't argue that opinion even if I disagree with it. My problem came with you stating it as fact and using number of grade ones as a way of backing that fact up.

For me, 90% of the time, I'll go with a horse that distinguishes him or herself in races open to all competition over one that does so in races that are closed off to most of the competition.

RollerDoc

10-13-2008 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

And that's perfectly fine. I won't argue that opinion even if I disagree with it. My problem came with you stating it as fact and using number of grade ones as a way of backing that fact up.

You are right to dispute me saying "fact." That was kind of reckless on my part. I meant it more as an exclamtion point, but agree I shouldn't have misused the word as it is only my fact and not the view of everyone else.

TheSpyder

10-13-2008 02:50 PM

I hear Curlin and Big Brown will have a filly screwing contest next year. First one to get 10 laid wins

ateamstupid

10-13-2008 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Seriously...I don't know. But all those horses you named is what was thrown at him and he beat them all. You left out Denis of Cork (not a bad horse), and Colonel John too (also very decent).

Off topic, I thought the FL Derby favorite was a horse named __________ Fields, but I cannot be for sure. Do you remember that horses name? It is driving me crazy.

Big Brown was the favorite. Elysium Fields was second choice and got injured during the race I believe.

brockguy

10-13-2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Nobody's mentioning the fact that Zarkava was also retired today.

"Whilst no one will regret more than my management team and I not to see Zarkava race again, as she is such a supreme athlete, we have decided to retire her to the Aga Khan broodmare band, as she will be an invaluable asset to this essential part of our activity," the Aga Khan said in the announcement. "The quality and youth of our broodmare band is of the utmost importance to ensure we remain breeders of racehorses capable of performing at the top level."

It was pretty much a given that she was done, in 7 starts she's pretty much cemented herself as one of the best fillies of the past 20+ years. not much else for her to do..

hockey2315

10-13-2008 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Big Brown was the favorite. Elysium Fields was second choice and got injured during the race I believe.

Dehydration I think. . .

ateamstupid

10-13-2008 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Dehydration I think. . .

You're probably right, but then what's sidelined him since?

hockey2315

10-13-2008 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're probably right, but then what's sidelined him since?

Not sure - "Severely Overheated, 'Strained Himself'" according to Illman's blog. . .

ELA	10-13-2008 04:38 PM

I think arguing about Big Brown's Beyer #'s from the FL Derby and KY Derby, and using those #'s to talk about what kind of horse he is, whether or not the race was a good one or not, etc. -- is every entertaining to say the least.

Now that Curlin's work is over, I would suspect that if he doesn't go, it would excusively be because the connections saw Casino Drive's race. LOL.

Eric

Cannon Shell

10-13-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're probably right, but then what's sidelined him since?

May have had a dehydrated tendon or dehydrated cannon bone...

RollerDoc

10-13-2008 05:53 PM

OK so I don't have the guts to start this question as a new thread so I'm hoping someonce can answer but still stays low on the radar in case it is an incredibly stupid one.

Has there ever been a high profile race horse that retired to stud (even briefly), and then came back to legitimately race again?

blackthroatedwind

10-13-2008 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

The winner of the 3rd BC Classic, Skywalker, did.

King Glorious

10-13-2008 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Precisionist did.
George Washington.

RollerDoc

10-13-2008 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The winner of the 3rd BC Classic, Skywalker, did.

Thanks!

OK so that wasn't too crazy of a question. Was that considered an interesting footnote to his story back then?

Pedigree Ann

10-13-2008 06:04 PM

Seabiscuit? While he was recovering from his bowed tendon, he covered mares at his owner's ranch, then came back and won the Santa Anita H.

In more recent times, one of my favorites Silveyville, winner of the G1 Hollywood Derby at 3 in 1981. For a couple of years in the latter part of his career, he would serve his mares in the spring, then come back to racing in the fall, going back to the farm after a couple of races at Santa Anita in the winter. The last year he ran, when he was 8, he won a G3 in January, then came back in late summer to run third in the Carleton F. Burke (G2) at Oak Tree and 2nd in the Citation H (G3) at Hollywood.

RollerDoc

10-13-2008 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Precisionist did.
George Washington.

Had George Washington not broken down last year, would he have most likely gone back to stud?

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