He drove the horse there also :)


I am surprised he didn't wear the Dini Racing Jacket from 1999

It couldn't have been impossible if AGS did it :D

In my humble and frequently incorrect opinion,

Barbaro, yes he most likely would win, the other two no, a filly would have won the derby and then tragically died 30 seconds later (:( ). Not from 20.. I also think Barbaro would be the only one to win the FL derby from #12 either.

This is kind of funny....

SARATOGA SPRINGS, N.Y. - Not too long after Big Brown returned to the winner's circle in Sunday's $1 million Haskell Invitational at Monmouth Park, his trainer, Richard Dutrow Jr., also returned to form.

Following the Haskell press conference, the topic of Curlin, the defending Horse of the Year, and the Breeders' Cup Classic came up. Dutrow, known for his candidness and cockiness during the Triple Crown run, gave his assessment of Curlin.

"Curlin couldn't win the Derby, we could," Dutrow said. "Curlin couldn't win [the Haskell], we could. Curlin got beat [by] a filly. We haven't. Our horse is undefeated on the grass. Curlin isn't. I don't know why people think Curlin is such a good horse. We're way better than Curlin."

the question was whether or not Big Brown is better than Curlin, or if he is a great horse. it will be interesting to see how he does against older, I'm doubtful that will happen though.

Huh ?????????
 

DRF Press:

Following the Haskell press conference, the topic of Curlin, the defending Horse of the Year, and the Breeders' Cup Classic came up. Dutrow, known for his candidness and cockiness during the Triple Crown run, gave his assessment of Curlin.

"Curlin couldn't win the Derby, we could," Dutrow said. "Curlin couldn't win [the Haskell], we could. Curlin got beat [by] a filly. We haven't. Our horse is undefeated on the grass. Curlin isn't. I don't know why people think Curlin is such a good horse. We're way better than Curlin."



What is this guy on??????? Curlin would dust Big Brown on either turf or dirt!!! What a pathetic comment.

I think he's on the same thing a poster would have to be on to think nobody has commented on this two days later on this message board.

That's a partial quote. The original can be found in Esoteric.

Seriously, I feel like it's a running gag by a handful of posters that I'm not in on.

I dont think its a gag. Many have posted this on other boards and its quite legthy to make up. Why is it so hard to imagine that Dutrow could say such things? Not getting why this is so unbelievable. I think its funny.

It's more that about 8 people have posted it as original material

That's what I was referring to.

Jess Jackson on the Dutrow stupidity:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/97038.html

Jackson said possible races following the Woodward could depend on "who gives us the best argument on where we should be," a hint that he will accept bids from racetracks seeking a box-office star. As for a match-up with Big Brown, this year's Kentucky Derby winner, Jackson said if a track could arrange a showdown in a real race, "not a match race," that's "something that might influence us."

"They're both great horses," said Jackson, who said trainer Rick Dutrow's post-Haskell comments denigrating Curlin were "bad for racing" and "unethical."

On Monday, the day after Big Brown won the Haskell, Dutrow said, "I don't know why people think Curlin is such a good horse. We're way better than Curlin."

"To run down another man's horse demeans the industry," Jackson said. "I would like them to meet, for the industry and the fans."

if that matchup was to happen, i might finally root for curlin to win one.

HAHAHA!! Jackson calling someone unethical. This is top shelf comedy, folks. Lap it up.

:D

Well well well, it was true after all. Not made up. I cant believe Dutrow would ever say such things.

No one said it was made up. The running gag I was facetiously talking about was the dozen different people posting the quote as if it hadn't been discussed on the board already.

I also bet $50 straight up on Big Brown to Win.

Let's agree to disagree on our assessments of Big Brown.

Giacomo, and possibly others.

Would Street Sense or Hard Spun have had a problem? We can only guess, but probably not. I doubt either would have shown that explosive move that Big Brown demonstrated when he spurted away from the field, though.

Winning from the outside at Gulfstream was considered near impossible before this year's Florida Derby. Despite that, when Big Brown drew the outside at Churchill, many cappers (including some here) were ecstatic that they would be able to bet against him while the "clueless" would bet him regardless of post.

Here are some very good recent horses that didn't win the Derby from better post positions than Big Brown's: Cat Thief, Point Given, Medagia d'Oro, Came Home, Empire Maker, Afleet Alex. Granted, these horses faced more solid competition than Big Brown (though Point Given finished behind Invisible Ink and Thunder Blitz), but my point is that the Derby is not a 'gimme'.

There's no question that Curlin has run against significantly better horses than Big Brown. I, too, think he is the better horse and has by far the greater accomplishments. Dutrow's comments were idiotic. But Big Brown's 3 race run from the Florida Derby through the Preakness was impressive in its own right.

--Dunbar