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pgardn 03-09-2008 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I would like Isiah Thomas waterboarded
I think he has been.
No detectable response.

Cannon Shell 03-09-2008 11:23 PM
What I would like to know is that the "studies" that say it may not be effective actually were done? Do they take out ads in The Bagdad News asking for volunteers? "If you are a terrorist and would like to make a few extra dollars without killing anyone, please stop by the U of Iraq and take part in our torture seminar"?

Cannon Shell 03-09-2008 11:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
I think he has been.
No detectable response.
Actually the fans feel like they have been while watching the games...

SCUDSBROTHER 03-09-2008 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
If American prisoners were knowingly withholding information that
would help stop the decimation of a huge numer of innoncent people
all intended to terrorize other innocent people as a whole, I would want them
waterboarded.
See,you've allowed yourself to go right on by the 1st question(do we ever have the right to treat them like we own them.)Can you answer this please.

GBBob 03-09-2008 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
See,you've allowed yourself to go right on by the 1st question(do we ever have the right to treat them like we own them.)Can you answer this please.
Two seperate things...one doesn't equal the other. Slavery was owning without an endgame.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-09-2008 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I'm a bigger fan of the electric cords attached to the gonads or the head in the vice but I guess I'm just violent from listening to rap lyrics when I was younger

You have demonstrated Machiavellian tendencies over n' over again.I wouldn't expect this to change.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-09-2008 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob
Two seperate things...one doesn't equal the other. Slavery was owning without an endgame.
Well,I am never going to agree to go fishing for information by way of torture.I am not interested in the quality of the information(it will be a very mixed bag.).That is not the point.The point is that they aren't there for us to experiment with.They are there to keep them away from innocent people.

pgardn 03-09-2008 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
You have demonstrated Machiavellian tendencies over n' over again.I wouldn't expect this to change.
Calm.

No of course we dont own them.
And this is not an experiment.
We are attempting to save Innocent
peoples lives in my scenario. thats why I
want it only used in the most dire situations
as I gave. If you are honest, you keep
the right to use it. We could of course just
lie and resort to it anyway; might never have to.

Night.
Lost an hour.

GBBob 03-09-2008 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
Calm.

No of course we dont own them.

Night.
Lost an hour.
oh sh*t..It's midnight

GBBob 03-09-2008 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Well,I am never going to agree to go fishing for information by way of torture.I am not interested in the quality of the information(it will be a very mixed bag.).That is not the point.The point is that they aren't there for us to experiment with.They are there to keep them away from innocent people.
For what it's worth, we're very close. I don't want to go on the fishing trip either, but to out and out ban "that"...I can't do it

Cannon Shell 03-09-2008 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
You have demonstrated Machavellian tendencies over n' over again.I wouldn't expect this to change.
Machiavellian was a very nice sire and I'm glad that you honored me with such a nice label

SCUDSBROTHER 03-10-2008 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
There is pretty compelling evidence that the Japanese ate many of our prisoners of war.

Yes,but what does this gem have to do with us torturing our prisoners?We certainly don't want to act like that scum did.It wouldn't have been excessive to turn that island into glass,but we didn't do it.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-10-2008 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by GBBob
For what it's worth, we're very close. I don't want to go on the fishing trip either, but to out and out ban "that"...I can't do it
I don't see it as giving something up.I see it as not allowing abuse.BTW,we would be much better off if we took a strong stand on this,and didn't look luke warm about it.I would think after Abu Garab,we would want to give off a much different message than this.

golfer 03-10-2008 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I would like Isiah Thomas waterboarded
What amazingly valuable and important information do you believe this would provide? (other than what pictures he's using for blackmail)

Cannon Shell 03-10-2008 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by golfer
What amazingly valuable and important information do you believe this would provide? (other than what pictures he's using for blackmail)
None, but it would make me feel better


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