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Coach Pants 02-28-2008 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
BINGO...

I am NOT an Albarado fan.



To me jockeys are like referees... the less you hear about them, the better. I honestly believe you can count the number of "good" jockeys on one hand right now (Prado, Corny Velasquez, Gomez, ??)

It's just scary that Corny and Gomez are considered top jockeys. Sure they're good, but the fact there isn't anyone outside of Prado that's better is scary.

Danzig 02-28-2008 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
All time greats, I'm not sure... but I've seen him run live 5 times now, and he's damn good, DAMN good- and I've never been a fan of his. The Haskell was a clunker but other than that he's never run a bad race, the Derby was a very respectable effort all things considered. The rest of the races were excellent to outstanding. Let's be serious... there isn't a horse in the States that can warm him up right now.

I liked Robby's approach to the race, put him in the clear, just do enough, save the big run for the DWC.

he spent all year in the same company, beating hard spun in the fall by the same distance street sense beat him in the spring. the top older horse last year was lawyer ron, if that helps keep things in perspective. curlin is good compared to the rest of the crop, but i don't he'd stack up very well against horses over the last few years, let alone the last century or so.
i think jess jackson did a very smart thing in keeping curlin in training, since all the other horses who could make him run a bit all left the scene. just like invasor at this point last year. and i'd take invasor over curlin....

hell, i'd even put bernardini over curlin at this point. staying in training at four, altho i appreciate it, does not make him a better horse.

philcski 02-28-2008 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
And the occasional one is on the take

I laughed again

philcski 02-28-2008 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
It's just scary that Corny and Gomez are considered top jockeys. Sure they're good, but the fact there isn't anyone outside of Prado that's better is scary.

Agree.

Hell, Carol phuckin' CEDENO has a thread on here!!!

kentuckyrosesinmay 02-28-2008 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Yeah Robbie should be commended for not getting the horse in trouble...

This is pointed out because the jockey colony in the states is that bad.

When has the jockey colony in the US not been bad to horse players?

I have one name...

Garrett Gomez

AeWingnut 02-28-2008 10:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5zhy_2U5jY

blackthroatedwind 02-28-2008 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
When has the jockey colony in the US not been bad to horse players?

I have one name...

Garrett Gomez


When has there been a subject that you know nothing about and then decided to not display your ignorance on the subject to this forum?

kentuckyrosesinmay 02-28-2008 10:55 PM

^The Black Widow circling its prey...haha:D

Sightseek 02-29-2008 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
All time greats, I'm not sure... but I've seen him run live 5 times now, and he's damn good, DAMN good- and I've never been a fan of his. .

*having bad flashbacks of you after the Preakness*

:D

The Bid 02-29-2008 09:52 AM

Prado is the best jockey in the business. If hes on the best horse you generally are given a good shot to win

I cant stand Robby Albarado. He waits too long to ask for run, and hes always getting horses in trouble.

Gomez is a bonehead, hes just a strong finisher

kentuckyrosesinmay 02-29-2008 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Prado is the best jockey in the business. If hes on the best horse you generally are given a good shot to win

I cant stand Robby Albarado. He waits too long to ask for run, and hes always getting horses in trouble.

Gomez is a bonehead, hes just a strong finisher

I disagree. I think Gomez is in a league of his own, and he keeps proving it every year by being at the top of the money won on horse's list.

He always puts a horse in a position to win, and he is the best finisher in the US. He gets more out of the horses than anyone else because he is so physical on them.

IMO, Prado is good, but he isn't as good as Gomez. If Prado was better than Gomez, he would be beating him on the money earned list.

To me, denying that Gomez is the best jockey at this point is like denying that Todd Pletcher is the best trainer.

IrishofNDMan 02-29-2008 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I disagree. I think Gomez is in a league of his own, and he keeps proving it every year by being at the top of the money won on horse's list.

He always puts a horse in a position to win, and he is the best finisher in the US. He gets more out of the horses than anyone else because he is so physical on them.

IMO, Prado is good, but he isn't as good as Gomez. If Prado was better than Gomez, he would be beating him on the money earned list.

To me, denying that Gomez is the best jockey at this point is like denying that Todd Pletcher is the best trainer.

agree, give me Gomez over Prado anyday. I think I would rather have Kent D as of late over both anyways, call me crazy but he has been $$$$ for me.

SniperSB23 02-29-2008 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I disagree. I think Gomez is in a league of his own, and he keeps proving it every year by being at the top of the money won on horse's list.

He always puts a horse in a position to win, and he is the best finisher in the US. He gets more out of the horses than anyone else because he is so physical on them.

IMO, Prado is good, but he isn't as good as Gomez. If Prado was better than Gomez, he would be beating him on the money earned list.

To me, denying that Gomez is the best jockey at this point is like denying that Todd Pletcher is the best trainer.

Prado could have a lot more in earnings if he jumped coasts for wherever the biggest purses are everyday like Gomez does. Prado was also injured and missed the BC which makes comparing earnings in 2007 completely irrelevant. In 2006 they were seperated by less than $350,000.

whodey17 02-29-2008 11:09 AM

Curlin looked great today. Not sure of the level of competition, but he looked great.

Jockeys--amazing that some on here know about jockeys and their jobs. i had no clue that some of you were past jockeys.

NoLuvForPletch 02-29-2008 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I disagree. I think Gomez is in a league of his own, and he keeps proving it every year by being at the top of the money won on horse's list.

He always puts a horse in a position to win, and he is the best finisher in the US. He gets more out of the horses than anyone else because he is so physical on them.

IMO, Prado is good, but he isn't as good as Gomez. If Prado was better than Gomez, he would be beating him on the money earned list.

To me, denying that Gomez is the best jockey at this point is like denying that Todd Pletcher is the best trainer.

I have not participated in the KRIM bashing to this point, but you have to stop with this drivel. How does money earned make you the best jock?

Here is my example. Quite often going into the 3YO campaign, one of the leading money earners will be the winner of the fraud of a race called the Delta Jackpot. Here is the list of fantastic horse flesh that has conquered that task.

2007 Z Humor (DH) Garrett Gomez
2007 Turf War (DH) Calvin Borel
2006 Birdbirdistheword Robby Albarado
2005 no race
2004 Texcess Victor Espinoza
2003 Mr Jester Roman Chapa
2002 Outta Here Kent Desormeaux

How many of these "leading money earners" would you consider the best?

Gomez spends half of the year in California racing against kids and east coaster like Mike Smith who needed to get away from the East so they could win a few races. And those so called Grade 1 and Grade 2 races with four, five and six horse fields (this weekend excluded), do more to pad his earnings than actual ability. Funny that Gomez even pads the earnings at Delta (2007).

Gomez certainly is at the top of the jockey list, but he is certainly not in a league of his own, and money earned really has nothing to do with it.

I don't feel the need to comment on your closing statement.

blackthroatedwind 02-29-2008 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

I don't feel the need to comment on your closing statement.

You mean Todd Pletcher isn't the best trainer in the game? How can you argue with that? He's been training on his own for ten years now. It's clear that he's established himself as the best in the game over guys like Jerkens, Mott and Mandella who have only been around for 25 to 100 years.

I guess if you think the hottest person in the bar is the one with the most money then you also form indefensibly ignorant opinions about trainers using similar logic.

sumitas 02-29-2008 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Curlin looked great today. Not sure of the level of competition, but he looked great.

Jockeys--amazing that some on here know about jockeys and their jobs. i had no clue that some of you were past jockeys.

And I thought the horse ran the race.

pgardn 02-29-2008 09:57 PM

Curlin
 
Excuse please if this was already posted
but I saw a replay of his tuneup race.

The thing that was interesting to note
is he looks so big. Maybe it was the camera
angle or something but the horse looks like
a flippn barrel... all lungs. Maybe he was
running against a bunch of little horses.


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