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Late Fires 02-07-2008 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
What volunteer work have you done for hospitals or in the medical profession?

Where in the world did this come from?

You must have done alot for you to be talking down to me about it.

Just keep assuming the position,baby.

Also, why don't you go become a doctor?

You have given plenty of reasons not to.

We'll see if you still feel the same way after you become one.

How would you know ...unleess,of course, you were one and were reincarnated ....only to become one all over again.

Also, your statistics are off for those other countries.

Eauxh? You know this for a fact? Don't use the "demographics" loophole here.



The demographics are different for the USA, so you have to take that doctor/patient ratio with a grain of salt.

DOUGH!!! SHE DID!!


The USA has more degenerative disease cases than any of the other countries that you mentioned.

I believe KRIM is the most common one.

Canada's health care system isn't that great.

Neither are their spaceships.


You here about it all of the time.

Oh? When did they go to the moon?

Universal health care=socialism/communism

Does fed. and state unemployment plug in there as well? Social security? What about welfare and EEO?

It ain't all that simple...is it?

And this conversation just made me realize that I can't possibly vote for the Dems. It would hurt my family to do so. I have to stick to my party. I'll vote for the crazy war-hungry idiot.

Fine, fine work.

kentuckyrosesinmay 02-07-2008 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I just told you there are insured couples that have babies,and lose everything because the baby is sick for a year.That's the fkd up situation you are backing.These are supposed to be insured people.See, your way doesn't work,and if it did then nobody would be trying to fix it.I'm not surprised that a doctor's daughter could care less if people lose everything.You pretty much want every male in America to give up a testicle because somebody has doctor in front of their name.

No, it shouldn't be we the people's job to pay more taxes for those individuals that made poor decisions or are lazy. I shouldn't be punished for that because that is exactly what universal health care would be for me and many other Americans. And it's not doctors' faults. It is the big corporations, big pharma, and the insurance companies in general. That part of the system is what needs to be changed. Go after them. Not the American people and the doctors. Universal health care=taxes raised for everyone. The doctors only try to do their jobs.

So, I told you how much my dad and boyfriend work. How much are they supposed to work to see everyone in a timely fashion with universal health care? THERE AREN'T ENOUGH HOURS IN A DAY OR ENOUGH DOCTORS TO GO AROUND!!!

I do care. I care a lot. So much that I just donated some money that I don't have to feed starving people around the country. It was my choice. But, it shouldn't be everyone else's responsibility to make up for others who are not responsible. They shouldn't be made to do it. The American people should be able to choose what charity work that they want to do. I shouldn't have to be made to pay for some lazy, irresponsible *******'s health coverage or some rapist's health coverage.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-07-2008 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Americans spend more on health care because of degenerative diseases such as heart disease and cancer. A large part of this is due to the increasing obesity rates of Americans. Rich Americans also love plastic surgery.

Infant mortality was not as high as it is now under this same health care system 20 years ago. In fact, America had the lowest infant mortality rate of all the developed countries 20 years ago.

And I agree that Americans have this "it won't happen to me" outlook on life, but that is no one's fault but their own.

1) The government should not pay for universal health care.

2) When an individual has a child, that individual should be responsible enough to take care of that child under ALL circumstances.

3) It should not be America's duty to make up for poor decisions made by individuals.

4) Do away with welfare. It makes Americans more lazy. Socialism makes Americans more lazy (i.e. welfare).

5) Doctors earn the right to make what they make by not having as long of a life expectancy as they would if they weren't a doctor. They earn the right by trading their lives through their dedication and pledge of serving others.


Poor decisions? How about living in trailers in twister country? Huh? Why don't we just ignore their problems too? That's Socialism(helping them.)Geedubbya got real generous when he saw their torn up trailers.All the sudden he turned a part-time Socialist and said "The Government can help too." Capitalism would be to round them up,and tell them they are now fkd.Time to rake leafs for your rich doctor dad......Hurry up,two or three people on this block need leafs raked up.

Coach Pants 02-07-2008 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Late Fires
^^^Did not score 1390 on SAT

!!OOOOOOOOOO!!

SCUDSBROTHER 02-07-2008 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
No, it shouldn't be we the people's job to pay more taxes for those individuals that made poor decisions or are lazy. I shouldn't be punished for that because that is exactly what universal health care would be for me and many other Americans. And it's not doctors' faults. It is the big corporations, big pharma, and the insurance companies in general. That part of the system is what needs to be changed. Go after them. Not the American people and the doctors. Universal health care=taxes raised for everyone. The doctors only try to do their jobs.

So, I told you how much my dad and boyfriend work. How much are they supposed to work to see everyone in a timely fashion with universal health care? THERE AREN'T ENOUGH HOURS IN A DAY OR ENOUGH DOCTORS TO GO AROUND!!!

I do care. I care a lot. So much that I just donated some money that I don't have to feed starving people around the country. It was my choice. But, it shouldn't be everyone else's responsibility to make up for others who are not responsible. They shouldn't be made to do it. The American people should be able to choose what charity work that they want to do. I shouldn't have to be made to pay for some lazy, irresponsible *******'s health coverage or some rapist's health coverage.

Pretty much the same(or more) # of doctors/1000 people in countries like Germany,France, Sweden,and Switzerland.I'll take a nurse with extra training over an ass-hole doctor any day.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-07-2008 10:37 PM

I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING.If you have NATIONAL HEALTHCARE,you will very quickly get the border protected.Trust me,you will see quick action,then(and probably only then.)

kentuckyrosesinmay 02-07-2008 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Poor decisions? How about living in trailers in twister country? Huh? Why don't we just ignore their problems too? That's Socialism(helping them.)Geedubbya got real generous when he saw their torn up trailers.All the sudden he turned a part-time Socialist and said "The Government can help too." Capitalism would be to round them up,and tell them they are now fkd.Time to rake leafs for your rich doctor dad......Hurry up,two or three people on this block need leafs raked up.

What did you do to help the victims of Katrina out? When Hurricane Katrina hit, I did as much charity work as I possibly could at the time. My honor club at my college got as many toys and goods (food etc.) as we possibly could to send to them. I think the federal government should donate money to organizations to help people because the organizations will most likely know how to distribute the funds better. I don't have a problem with that when a natural disaster occurs. I don't think the government should directly give money to the people. I have no problem in giving people money that deserve it. It's just there are a lot of people that don't deserve it. People that need to get off their asses, work, and make better decisions (i.e. universal health care and welfare)

kentuckyrosesinmay 02-07-2008 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Pretty much the same(or more) # of doctors/1000 people in countries like Germany,France, Sweden,and Switzerland.I'll take a nurse with extra training over an ass-hole doctor any day.

I'm sure that nurse could perform surgery too.

kentuckyrosesinmay 02-07-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Pretty much the same(or more) # of doctors/1000 people in countries like Germany,France, Sweden,and Switzerland.I'll take a nurse with extra training over an ass-hole doctor any day.

By the way, my mom's a nurse, my uncle's a nurse, my aunt's a nurse, my step-mom is a nurse...etc.

Their lives would be made more of a hell through universal health care as well! They work hard enough as it is...

Danzig 02-07-2008 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Why isn't it? Do you think people in Japan,France,Germany,Sweden,Switzerland,Australia have bad healthcare? I don't .We are brainwashed to think they do.Again,Danzig,I highly doubt this insurance plan will cover something like a years stay in the hospital,and some people have kids that are that sick.It doesn't always happen to other people.Americans have this disease of "it will not happen to me" That is why people lose everything right now.They didn't think they were gunna have a kid who would spend a year and a half in the hospital(and die anyways.)They didn't think that their insurance would stop paying.They didn't want national healthcare, either.Now they are fkd,too.So be it(I guess.)We are just too stupid to do what other industrialized countries have done.


i don't think it's the governments job to provide health care. i don't think it's the govts job to provide many of the things it provides already. but states have turned over much of what they used to, or should provide now, to the feds as they don't want to foot the bill. so then the federal govt gets far more bloated then it should be. it's not a federal issue. but then, social security, medicare, medicaid, etc shouldn't be either.
people want to keep talking about the health ins problem when in fact those who can't afford coverage are already eligible for medicare or medicaid. the trick is that many who CAN afford coverage, don't want to afford it. they want the 'govt' to foot the bill. but the 'govt' doesn't foot the bill, we do. i pay for my own yet still pay for so many others...now my bill should get that much bigger?

i don't believe it is the govts job to take care of us. i don't want the govt in my life to that extent. i want them involved in my life, and my pocketbook, as little as possible.

Coach Pants 02-07-2008 10:48 PM


SCUDSBROTHER 02-07-2008 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
What did you do to help the victims of Katrina out? When Hurricane Katrina hit, I did as much charity work as I possibly could at the time. My honor club at my college got as many toys and goods (food etc.) as we possibly could to send to them. I think the federal government should donate money to organizations to help people because the organizations will most likely know how to distribute the funds better. I don't have a problem with that when a natural disaster occurs. I don't think the government should directly give money to the people. I have no problem in giving people money that deserve it. It's just there are a lot of people that don't deserve it. People that need to get off their asses, work, and make better decisions (i.e. universal health care and welfare)

Conservatives always love private charities.It's a way to say "I hate the Government.I hate to pay my taxes." Here is a cracker...Get better.It's a way to deal with the guilt from knowing your a selfish bitch.Almost all people who are for the tax cuts for the rich are huge fans of private charities.Makes them feel better even though they know inside just how selfish they are.If you gave a **** about those people in Katrina,then they would of had National Healthcare.

Coach Pants 02-07-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Conservatives always love private charities.It's a way to say "I hate the Government.I hate to pay my taxes." Here is a cracker...Get better.It's a way to deal with the guilt from knowing your a selfish bitch.Almost all people who are for the tax cuts for the rich are huge fans of private charities.Makes them feel better even though they know inside just how selfish they are.If you gave a **** about those people in Katrina,then they would of had National Healthcare.

Most of them had/have medicaid.

kentuckyrosesinmay 02-07-2008 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Conservatives always love private charities.It's a way to say "I hate the Government.I hate to pay my taxes." Here is a cracker...Get better.It's a way to deal with the guilt from knowing your a selfish bitch.Almost all people who are for the tax cuts for the rich are huge fans of private charities.Makes them feel better even though they know inside just how selfish they are.If you gave a **** about those people in Katrina,then they would of had National Healthcare.

I don't get tax cuts from what I donated because I don't work right now.

And I think the selfish thing is the other way around. I think it is selfish to ask hard working American people to pay more in taxes so those who haven't worked enough in life or made poor decisions can have universal health care.

How would Universal Health Care have helped them rebuild their homes? That has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Again, you didn't do any volunteer work for the Katrina victims I take it. I not only gave my money, but I gave my time as well.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-07-2008 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i don't think it's the governments job to provide health care. i don't think it's the govts job to provide many of the things it provides already. but states have turned over much of what they used to, or should provide now, to the feds as they don't want to foot the bill. so then the federal govt gets far more bloated then it should be. it's not a federal issue. but then, social security, medicare, medicaid, etc shouldn't be either.
people want to keep talking about the health ins problem when in fact those who can't afford coverage are already eligible for medicare or medicaid. the trick is that many who CAN afford coverage, don't want to afford it. they want the 'govt' to foot the bill. but the 'govt' doesn't foot the bill, we do. i pay for my own yet still pay for so many others...now my bill should get that much bigger?

i don't believe it is the govts job to take care of us. i don't want the govt in my life to that extent. i want them involved in my life, and my pocketbook, as little as possible.

Fine,but fk those hillbillies in trailers that got run over in twisters.Just be consistent.That was catastrophic damage,,and so is somebody bankrupt with a 500k medical bill that they thought their insurance was gunna cover.Just don't come running to the Gov't when you get into trouble.Geedubbya feels the same as you,but couldn't wait to tell those hillbillies they were gunna get Gov't help.

kentuckyrosesinmay 02-07-2008 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Most of them had/have medicaid.

I thought that you were a Republican?

SCUDSBROTHER 02-07-2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Most of them had/have medicaid.

Not people working paycheck to paycheck(and using every penny for bills.)The kinds of people Danzig and Romney think are partying away drinking 40 ounce malt liquor instead of buying healthcare.Fact is they probably needed every bit to pay their bills.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-07-2008 11:22 PM

A lot of you consider yourself Christians (even if you don't attend church regularly.)I just want to say that Christ said it's pretty important how you treat the least among you.The least wasteful way to do that is National Healthcare.Nobody is gunna buy crack with it.Nobody is gunna be acting lazy while doing it(they have to get up and go to the doctor.)Nobody is gunna want to use it.They will use it when they have to.It's a lot better than giving checks out to be used in any way they want.There are only 2 reasons to be against it:

1)selfishnous

2)dislike of the poor

Like I said,it's a predominantly Christian country,.So,it would appear people simply ignore their own religion.

Danzig 02-08-2008 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Fine,but fk those hillbillies in trailers that got run over in twisters.Just be consistent.That was catastrophic damage,,and so is somebody bankrupt with a 500k medical bill that they thought their insurance was gunna cover.Just don't come running to the Gov't when you get into trouble.Geedubbya feels the same as you,but couldn't wait to tell those hillbillies they were gunna get Gov't help.

i've never asked the govt, or anyone else for that matter, for help.

my point is that the FEDERAL govt does not exist for much of what it has been forced to take on-the states should be providing their citizens for much of what the feds provide. the reason there is so much fraud and waste in many of these federal programs is that too much of the country is too far from d.c., and the further from that seat you are, the more problems you encounter with these programs.
each state should bear the burden for any of these programs. that way you don't have the issues you have right now with homeland security for instance. federal dollars were released to help states with security issues. we all should acknowledge that some areas would be considered more of a target then others. yet small states want the money divided evenly. how does that make sense?
the Feds should protect our borders with mexico and canada, and our ports. other than that, it should be a state by state issue issue. but again, state govts push much of their responsibility onto the feds, bloating our federal govt, and taking more of our taxes for them-then the states can't help if they want.
arkansas has arkids first, and it's a pretty good program. but it also explains why our tax burden is so high here in arkansas. we're still paying for fed programs as well. over ten cents on the dollar sales tax here, with state income tax--and there had been a surplus tax tacked onto that for years (thanks to 'lower tax' huckabee:rolleyes: ) and also a personal property tax. and the sales tax is applied even to food and medicine. it's ridiculous.

don't you feel that much of what the feds attempt to do would work much better, if done state by state? less red tape, less administration, as those offices would be local, with no regional and national offices necessary?


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