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whodey17 01-18-2008 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
How many horses this decade have three Beyers of 119+? Not many others besides Ghostzapper and Commentator.
Are you suggesting that Commentator could beat Ghostzapper or come close to beating him in a race since they both have beyers of 119+? We all know that beyers are purely subjective.

blackthroatedwind 01-18-2008 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
He couldn't even warm Commentator up.

Yes, but he made me a lot more money at the windows.

miraja2 01-18-2008 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
Again, anybody care to dispute my opinion that he's the most talented NYB of all time?
Oh yeah I'll dispute it. Clearly Friends Lake was the best NY bred of all-time.
As proof, here he is a video that I believe is an isolated replay of his effort in the 2004 Kentucky Derby:
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/sta...e&name=Friends Lake&stallion_no=6161521&end

ateamstupid 01-18-2008 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
A 10 for 16 horse can't be called a quitter.
Um, why not? He throws in the towel every time he doesn't get things his way. That's a quitter, I don't care what his record is.

miraja2 01-18-2008 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Um, why not? He throws in the towel every time he doesn't get things his way. That's a quitter, I don't care what his record is.
In the Whitney he was certainly loose on the lead down the backstretch, but Saint Liam did push him a bit early and Commentator ran the opening half in :46 2/5. That doesn't strike me as ideal for a 9f race.
He certainly had a good trip that day, but so did the the HOY that couldn't get by him in the stretch.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-18-2008 06:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SniperSB23
How many horses this decade have three Beyers of 119+? Not many others besides Ghostzapper and Commentator.
Two of Commentators three big figures came with ridiculiously easy trips - and his third big figure, was one that many felt was a questionable number on the high side.

I believe Left Bank ran four of 118 or greater. though two of the four were 118's.

Congaree had a pair of 120's and a 118

Swept Overboard had a pair of 122's.

Kona Gold had a 123, 119, 118, 117

A lot of close but not quite's.

pgardn 01-18-2008 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Haven't we been here before? What exactly did Commentator do yesterday that he hasn't already done? He got away with a soft quarter and aired in very fast time in a race essentially written for him. That hasn't happened before. The horse is seven years old and still has never dueled through fast splits with a top-flight horse and come out on top. He remains a very talented quitter to me until he proves otherwise.

Yep.
But at 7 damn good.

From my earlier post:

Same old same old
with this horse.
Give em an easy run
in the first part of a race,
uncontested early, he looks
like a monster.

He can win sprints.
If they go 22.5, 46 and he
leads these fractions.
Good luck with that.

pgardn 01-18-2008 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by miraja2
In the Whitney he was certainly loose on the lead down the backstretch, but Saint Liam did push him a bit early and Commentator ran the opening half in :46 2/5. That doesn't strike me as ideal for a 9f race.
He certainly had a good trip that day, but so did the the HOY that couldn't get by him in the stretch.
Look at the Woodward.
Tried to rate em,
St. Liam passed him
without asking. Other horses
ahead early and he is toast.



He is a very good
1-dimensional horse.

blackthroatedwind 01-18-2008 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You left out the part about Team Dutrow hounding Commentator for the first 5 furlongs of that race. There were not 1 but 2 rabbits entered to aid St. Liam. Now, it probably wouldn't have mattered, I don't think anyone was beating St. Liam that day, but it's not like Commentator just threw in the towel for no reason. I'd love to see what he could do if he could stay healthy this year, because there isn't much talent in the older horse division right now.

When you quote his nonsense it completely defeats the purpose of my having him on ignore.

SniperSB23 01-18-2008 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Two of Commentators three big figures came with ridiculiously easy trips - and his third big figure, was one that many felt was a questionable number on the high side.

I believe Left Bank ran four of 118 or greater. though two of the four were 118's.

Congaree had a pair of 120's and a 118

Swept Overboard had a pair of 122's.

Kona Gold had a 123, 119, 118, 117

A lot of close but not quite's.
Which is why I wouldn't personally put him in my top ten for the decade but I don't think anyone should have a major problem with someone putting the horse in their top ten for the decade. Especially considering that only he and Ghostzapper have gone 119+ three times no matter the circumstances.

blackthroatedwind 01-18-2008 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Which is why I wouldn't personally put him in my top ten for the decade but I don't think anyone should have a major problem with someone putting the horse in their top ten for the decade. Especially considering that only he and Ghostzapper have gone 119+ three times no matter the circumstances.

When you quote his nonsense it completely defeats the purpose of my having him on ignore.

miraja2 01-18-2008 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I laughed.
Me too.

philcski 01-18-2008 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
When you quote his nonsense it completely defeats the purpose of my having him on ignore.
LOL

pgardn 01-18-2008 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You left out the part about Team Dutrow hounding Commentator for the first 5 furlongs of that race. There were not 1 but 2 rabbits entered to aid St. Liam. Now, it probably wouldn't have mattered, I don't think anyone was beating St. Liam that day, but it's not like Commentator just threw in the towel for no reason. I'd love to see what he could do if he could stay healthy this year, because there isn't much talent in the older horse division right now.
HOunding. Are you kidding. That was the worst job of hounding I have ever seen.
One rabbit was totally useless. The lesson learned was you cant even get close
to rating the horse. Stevens had hm will in hand and...Horse could not take it.
Damn fast 1-dimensional horse.
The horse is damn good at what he does.

philcski 01-18-2008 11:31 PM
Speaking of Ghostzapper, somehow he had no information on pedigreequery.com?? Pretty odd for the best horse of the last 25 years. [I updated it.]

robfla 01-19-2008 01:03 AM
From the Miami herald:

"'Only in America can you do things like this: Take a 7-year-old and have him come back running like a 2-year-old,'' Zito said. ``If we can keep him like this, he can beat any horse in the world.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/624/story/384267.html

freddymo 01-19-2008 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by robfla
From the Miami herald:

"'Only in America can you do things like this: Take a 7-year-old and have him come back running like a 2-year-old,'' Zito said. ``If we can keep him like this, he can beat any horse in the world.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/624/story/384267.html
Nick Zito is > than Don King


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