Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Danzig,
I don't shoot crows either, though there seem to be plenty around.
Heck, I even caught a sea gull once while I was blue fishing.
Released unharmed, though it tried like crazy to take off my fingers...such an ingrate!
I do hunt birds...ruffed grouse (partridge in these parts), woodcock, and pheasants. Never over my limit, and all eaten.
Wild turkey is pretty good too, especially after a maple brine and hickory smoke in the smoker.
Basically, I don't waste any of the harvest.
It's not the blood, the kill, or the pulling of the trigger that makes it important to me. That's such a small part of it, and frankly, it gives me no joy.
The truth of it is that there's something about hunting and fishing that connects me with something far bigger than me. Not many folks will understand that. Nor do I want to try to convince them.
All I ask is for tolerance.
And yes, I've been involved in chickens, pigs, lambs, veal, and most of the other meats that come so neatly wrapped in the refrigerator case in the supermarket. To be honest, we always gave the critters the best food, care, and life possible. It's as real as my stringbeans and tomatoes.
All part of the "garden" called abundance. Gosh, I love it all.
Thanks for tolerating my rant.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Well Fort Dix isn't NJ. Any military base doesn't give you a feel for the state. Plus southern Jersey is more like Maryland than NYC area. Come up from the sticks. Great place.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Oops, I missed Maryland...don't know how I did that...lived in Salisbury and Hagerstown.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

tsk tsk...
used to pass thru salisbury quite often on the way to chincoteague VA. always my favorite place to be, but that little island has grown too much.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I liked Salisbury cause I could get to the beach in 20 minutes...it was an ok place.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

And second was Jersey no doubt. Where did you live in NJ?

Originally Posted by videogirl10

i actually live in a part of virginia that is near where that happened. i also work at the tv station that covered it last week. when the video got back of those poor horses it was very upsetting. we didn't have video of the dead horses, but we did have the ones that lived. it is quite depressing to see that our youth would do this. i think we should just be happy that they were caught, because a lot of times when people do this to animals they aren't.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Randall,
I was born in Teaneck, lived there for many years. Also Tenafly, taught in Dumont. I also lived in Palisades Park.
During my highschool days, I spent way too much time in the shore area, Long Branch, Monmouth Beach, Deal...
NJ always has a soft spot in my heart.
Also, my undergrad is from Wm Paterson. (Wayne, NJ)

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Willy P. Went to Rutgers myself...Glad to know Jersey has a special place....Don't know where I want to end up. Maybe here, maybe not....If I could take the winters I'd live in upstate NY.

Originally Posted by paisjpq

cause then you could come visit me!:)

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Willy P. Went to Rutgers myself...Glad to know Jersey has a special place....Don't know where I want to end up. Maybe here, maybe not....If I could take the winters I'd live in upstate NY.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Here in the Catskills it's plenty cold today. But the firewood is all cut and split and the fireplace is roaring. Maple syrup (sugarin' time) will be here soon enough.
Where are you in NJ, Randall?

Originally Posted by paisjpq

cause then you could come visit me!:)

Originally Posted by Danzig188

ohmetoometoometoo! lol

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Morris County, bout 30 minutes west of NYC. Nice area.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Morris county is very nice. I have fond memories of a young lady that lived in Morristown. Some of my family live in Short Hills, Mountain Lakes, and my brother lives in Paramus (Bergen county).

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i have hunted, unsuccesfully thus far, for turkey. hard, hard bird. can see almost 360 degrees, detect the slightest movement. they don't suffer fools, and are quick learners.
you described hunting, and the lack of 'joy', very well.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I'm 5 minutes from Mountain Lakes, go running in a park that borders it.....Any hot female cousins down there?

Originally Posted by paisjpq

come on up...I'll take you hunting LOL

Originally Posted by paisjpq

when they have babies those are some scary birds!!! I had a momma chase around my horses one day because she was out in their field with her little guys that couldn't fly yet to get over the fence...I had to herd her out with the boss's range rover:cool:

Originally Posted by Danzig188

there have been quite a few confrontations in the news over the last couple years between turkeys and humans. one lady couldnt get in her car, turkey chased her around it--her friends got quite a kick out of it. but the males have some vicious spurs, they can do some damage.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

there have been quite a few confrontations in the news over the last couple years between turkeys and humans. one lady couldnt get in her car, turkey chased her around it--her friends got quite a kick out of it. but the males have some vicious spurs, they can do some damage.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Danzig,
If you ever find your way to the Catskills in May, I'd be more than pleased to call in a gobbler for you.
Hunting starts two hours before sun up and ends at noon...then the fly fishing on the West Branch of the Delaware. Big browns.
Life can indeed be very good.
Toga won't be running yet, but the horses at the farm are nearby, and some will have shipped in to start training at Toga ( about an hour away).
DTS

Originally Posted by Danzig188

that sounds beautiful. i will let you know when, if, we make it up that way.
already been in touch with playa about arlington, and not going til july!! lol

nothing like planning ahead.

never been fly fishing. that would be a learning experience!

Originally Posted by Danzig188

well, a couple of years, the last of my chicks will be out of the nest, so we won't have to schedule around school. not that tony and i are counting the days or anything!:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Danzig188

well, i was going to get ticked off...but you said hunting for the sake of hunting, and i don't do that...

you can't buy venison in the store.

what i don't understand is:

if i go to the store, and buy meat someone else killed and eat it-that's ok.
but if i kill it, and then eat it, i'm disgusting and morally corrupt? i guess since someone else did the dirty work?

as for your comparison to opera, theatre etc...i was thinking more along the line of activities that some enjoy, while others don't and make moral judgements about. horse racing and gambling for instance. i can't recall anyone saying oh opera, i hate it--those singers are corrupt. but i have heard those arguments, and similar, regarding racing. oh those poor animals, how cruel. or the line a boy said to my daughter the other day when she mentioned barbaro had died. OH. horse racing. we're GOOD CHRISTIANS, we don't believe in gambling. so, he just pretty much summed her up as being a bad person, because she felt bad about barbaro.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

Originally Posted by Champali Chick

I haven't read this thread (only the original post), so I'm sorry if my post here is no longer really "on topic." I'm responding to the title of the thread:

All I have to say is "and eye for an eye."

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Who was it that said...all you get for the philosophy of an eye for an eye is lots of blind people?

Originally Posted by Champali Chick

I haven't read this thread (only the original post), so I'm sorry if my post here is no longer really "on topic." I'm responding to the title of the thread:

All I have to say is "and eye for an eye."

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i don't think our system should have punishment that is a criminal act in the guise of justice. that's the whole issue with he should get what he gave. society is supposed to be civilized, doing what the criminal did-albeit to the criminal-would be a similar despicable act, wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Ateam, I think you got the wrong guy there, we are on the same side here!
I freely admit that I don't understand hunting for sport...I mean, I get that you take your phallic symbol (oops, I mean big gun) and walk through the woods stalking poor innocent and defenseless creatures to blow up in some orgasmic ritual but I don't get it!

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i didn't miss every point you made. you mentioned sport hunting. then you said just hunting was morally corrupt and disgusting. did you mean sport hunting again, or just hunting? i assumed, since you said 'hunting' and not 'sport hunting' that you had us all lumped in there together. my apologies if i got it wrong.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Eh, it was back towards the beginning, I know you're on my side.



Yes, I meant sport hunting. I have no problem with hunting for food.