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Cajungator26 12-11-2006 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dr. fager
ever been to Canada this time of year?....ok now how about LA this time of year?

:p
No, actually I haven't. I'm sorry, but is your name Euro? Didn't think so. :p

dr. fager 12-11-2006 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
No, actually I haven't. I'm sorry, but is your name Euro? Didn't think so. :p
Is your name Joel or are you his proxy?:eek:

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
I dont understand, why do they need a dirt surface as well. Oaklawn and Turfway dont have a turf so why does only having one surface matter. To me it is a 3rd surface. And of course it replaced dirt at Turway etc etc-u are a genius to figure that one out. So I dont understand when you say it is a dirt replacement.
Of course you do shill.
No track has room for both surfaces. And the fact that Oak and turf dont have turf has nothing to do whatsoever with what we are talking about. Nice strawman attempt though, anyway, it doesnt give trainers or horses the option of running on dirt. It replaces it, and its quite obvious that its nowhere near dirt.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Why do you think Woodbine and Turfway need polytrack as opposed to Keeneland and the Cali tracks? I'm interested in knowing your thoughts.
Woodbine and Turfway lost many days to bad track conditions. Also, the tracks would get wet and freeze and then melt making the conditions very dangerous. Keeneland and Cali do not have these problems. I think their dirt surfaces could have improved by fixing them. But Woodbine and Turfway cannot control the weather.

Cajungator26 12-11-2006 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dr. fager
Is your name Joel or are you his proxy?:eek:
Done stringing those lights yet, drunka$$? HAHA!!!

Seattleallstar 12-11-2006 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Look Seattle,
asa 26 year old guy who has never lived away from mommy and daddy,and who doesnt posess a drivers liscense, you should know your place in the grand scheme of things.
To help you understand what that is, here is what you need to do.
Go outside after breakfast, and go and find a pond or a river or a swampy area. Pick up a rock right near the water and look underneath. If you have any questions after this, give us a shout and we can help you out with it.
Mommy and Daddy take you to Chuck E Cheese this past weekend?

actually I was sick, and i had to cancel a few meetings with you know who. I hope to make it up to her this afternoon after work

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Of course you do shill.
No track has room for both surfaces. And the fact that Oak and turf dont have turf has nothing to do whatsoever with what we are talking about. Nice strawman attempt though, anyway, it doesnt give trainers or horses the option of running on dirt. It replaces it, and its quite obvious that its nowhere near dirt.
What do you mean trainers dont have the option to run on dirt. Trainers can go to Mountaineer or to Buleah to race on dirt if they desire. Granted that may not appeal to them but they have an option. And trainers at Turf and Oak dont have the option to run on Turf. So what is the difference.

Seattleallstar 12-11-2006 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
He should have joined us and gave his parents a break! HAHA I took my 3 year old! :D

Cajun I love that freakin place, hangin with the big mouse takin pics. Then watching that band come on every 15 minutes. Pizza is ok, and I love the games. Im just not allowed to play in the ball room area anymore

Cajungator26 12-11-2006 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Woodbine and Turfway lost many days to bad track conditions. Also, the tracks would get wet and freeze and then melt making the conditions very dangerous. Keeneland and Cali do not have these problems. I think their dirt surfaces could have improved by fixing them. But Woodbine and Turfway cannot control the weather.
Don't you think that further testing on synthetic surfaces should have been done though before installing them? It seems to me that the clumping, etc. going on with the polytrack isn't beneficial either.

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
actually I was sick, and i had to cancel a few meetings with you know who. I hope to make it up to her this afternoon after work
Make it up to her?
Dude she was thrilled, you know damn well shes going out with other guys, you told me that.
Shes a pincushion. She will be bummed that you arent sick anymore, probably hoping you had malaria or something like that. You know, curable and not fatal but that would keep you housebound for a while.

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
What do you mean trainers dont have the option to run on dirt. Trainers can go to Mountaineer or to Buleah to race on dirt if they desire. Granted that may not appeal to them but they have an option. And trainers at Turf and Oak dont have the option to run on Turf. So what is the difference.
The difference is that not one track in the US is ripping out turf courses and replacing them with poly. Thats the difference. And you know what? Since its like brown turf, thats exactly what they SHOULD do.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Don't you think that further testing on synthetic surfaces should have been done though before installing them? It seems to me that the clumping, etc. going on with the polytrack isn't beneficial either.
Not really. I mean, where are you going to test. I know this may not sound right, but the only way to test is to install it and race on it and then fix it. I also think that Cali and Arlington jumped the gun. It makes sense for Keeneland, Turfway and Woodbine.

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
How does anyone get information that is not public? They typically no someone close to the situation. That is how I know. Just because you know someone who is close to the situation doesnt mean that you have a vested interest. If you want to call caring about the well-being of a freind as vested interest, then I guess I have one because I want my friend and his company to succeed.

Just wanted this quote saved thats all.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
The difference is that not one track in the US is ripping out turf courses and replacing them with poly. Thats the difference. And you know what? Since its like brown turf, thats exactly what they SHOULD do.
Doest matter. You contention is that trainers do not have the option to run on dirt and I proved you wrong. Trainers at Oaklawn and Turfway do not have the option to run on turf so they need to ship. They can do the same with their dirt horses. So again, I make you look dumb.

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Not really. I mean, where are you going to test. I know this may not sound right, but the only way to test is to install it and race on it and then fix it. I also think that Cali and Arlington jumped the gun. It makes sense for Keeneland, Turfway and Woodbine.
He wants his friends company to succeed. They get paid after its installed, if you choose to rip it out later they keep the money. Its in his friends best interest that it be tested at 10 mill per shot, you know someplace around there.

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Doest matter. You contention is that trainers do not have the option to run on dirt and I proved you wrong. Trainers at Oaklawn and Turfway do not have the option to run on turn so they need to ship. They can do the same with their dirt horses. So again, I make you look dumb.
Not in Cali they dont.

philcski 12-11-2006 12:18 PM
Oracle, what makes you so angry??

Relax, dude. The end of the world is NOT coming.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:18 PM
Hey Oralce AKA Liar--when are you going to show the board where I stated that I lived in Cincinnati? Because you said that I said I lived in Cincinnati.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Not in Cali they dont.
Turf Paradise. I have also said that Cali jumped the gun as well.

Cajungator26 12-11-2006 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Not really. I mean, where are you going to test. I know this may not sound right, but the only way to test is to install it and race on it and then fix it. I also think that Cali and Arlington jumped the gun. It makes sense for Keeneland, Turfway and Woodbine.
I just think that if you make a $10 million dollar investment like that, you'd want to know what you were getting (or at least some clue as to what you were getting.) I guess that ignorance is bliss...

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Turf Paradise. I have also said that Cali jumped the gun as well.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Euro, ummm, Turf paradise is in Arizona dude,not Cali!!
LOL!!!

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
He wants his friends company to succeed. They get paid after its installed, if you choose to rip it out later they keep the money. Its in his friends best interest that it be tested at 10 mill per shot, you know someplace around there.
His company is Turfway--lol. They paid $10mm. You are so laughable.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Euro, ummm, Turf paradise is in Arizona dude,not Cali!!
LOL!!!
They still can ship. Mountaineer is in WV but trainers in KY can ship to WV to race. Why cant Cali trainers ship to Arizona.

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I just think that if you make a $10 million dollar investment like that, you'd want to know what you were getting (or at least some clue as to what you were getting.) I guess that ignorance is bliss...
NO NO NO!!! You are supposed to buy the hype and do the due diligence as you go along.
You think thats how Warren Buffet started? Doubtful.

todko 12-11-2006 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Both horses were coming off a long layoff due to an illness and we wanted to make sure they were ok.
A long layoff caused by respiratory issues?

Gimme a break. Nobody scopes unless they suspect respiratory problems related to the race that the horse just ran.

Both horses had the same illness?

I don't know you -- but pal -- you look like a liar to me.

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by todko
A long layoff caused by respiratory issues?

Gimme a break. Nobody scopes unless they suspect respiratory problems related to the race that the horse just ran.

Both horses had the same illness?

I don't know you -- but pal -- you look like a liar to me.
Now now now. I'm sure its very healthy for a horses respiratory and immune system to be breathing polymer coated tires. The very suggestion that someday it may be found to be damaging is preposterous and unfounded!!!!
:rolleyes:

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by todko
A long layoff caused by respiratory issues?

Gimme a break. Nobody scopes unless they suspect respiratory problems related to the race that the horse just ran.

Both horses had the same illness?

I don't know you -- but pal -- you look like a liar to me.
Well one horse just raced after getting lose and sliding about 40 feet on the parking lot. The other horse hasnt raced since before labor day and he has been sick off and on. I am not a trainer or a vet. I do not know why they decided to scope. Maybe they jock said something--I dont know. The point is that they came back clean.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I just think that if you make a $10 million dollar investment like that, you'd want to know what you were getting (or at least some clue as to what you were getting.) I guess that ignorance is bliss...
Well Keeneland and Turfway just moved money from point A to B. To them it is no big deal. I cannot speak for Woodbine. But I agree with you and I think they got what they wanted.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:30 PM
Oracle--I am waiting...show me where I said I lived in Cincinnati. Please Oracle...AKA LIAR....show me this post. Show the board. Show the world where I said I lived in Cincy.

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Oracle--I am waiting...show me where I said I lived in Cincinnati. Please Oracle...AKA LIAR....show me this post. Show the board. Show the world where I said I lived in Cincy.
YOu said it at ESPN many times, MANY times, and we both know it.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
YOu said it at ESPN many times, MANY times, and we both know it.
No I didnt. Show me these posts or are is this heresay?

Cajungator26 12-11-2006 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
No I didnt. Show me these posts or are is this heresay?
Those posts would have been long gone since the ESPN board was cleaned out. I DO remember the post about the psychic lady, though... haha.

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:33 PM
[quote=eurobounce]No I didnt. Show me these posts or are is this heresay?[/QUOTE)
lol they are right where you said you had no interest in turfway or poly.

Pointg5 12-11-2006 12:34 PM
Actually, Rootdog said Kycherub was posting on a CBS Board, claiming he was a stockbroker living in Cincy, then he showed up and changed his tune on ESPN saying he was Physical Therapist living in Louisville, but he was from Cincy...Then he shows up here under the alias of Eurobounce, I remember how Kycherub said he loved the term Eurobounce, hmm, just another similarity...

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Those posts would have been long gone since the ESPN board was cleaned out. I DO remember the post about the psychic lady, though... haha.
She was cool. I am sure she will be there this year. So Oracle has no way to prove I ever said this. Man, what a liar he is.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:35 PM
[quote=oracle80]
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
No I didnt. Show me these posts or are is this heresay?[/QUOTE)
lol they are right where you said you had no interest in turfway or poly.
I have no interest in either. My interest is seeing my friend keep his job.

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Actually, Rootdog said Kycherub was posting on a CBS Board, claiming he was a stockbroker living in Cincy, then he showed up and changed his tune on ESPN saying he was Physical Therapist living in Louisville, but he was from Cincy...Then he shows up here under the alias of Eurobounce, I remember how Kycherub said he loved the term Eurobounce, hmm, just another similarity...
The best was where you nailed him with the Cooperstown post and the Ramones. "hey ho lets go!!"

eurobounce 12-11-2006 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Actually, Rootdog said Kycherub was posting on a CBS Board, claiming he was a stockbroker living in Cincy, then he showed up and changed his tune on ESPN saying he was Physical Therapist living in Louisville, but he was from Cincy...Then he shows up here under the alias of Eurobounce, I remember how Kycherub said he loved the term Eurobounce, hmm, just another similarity...
Lord, he said she said....I remember seeing Point on the CBS board saying he was a Dr, then shows up on the ESPN board saying he was a teacher and now here. See Point--give me some proof fellow. If you cant then give it a rest. It is really old.

Cajungator26 12-11-2006 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
She was cool. I am sure she will be there this year. So Oracle has no way to prove I ever said this. Man, what a liar he is.
He is many things, but he's not a liar. I could give a rat's a$$ where you live or where you're from or what you used to post as. Sometimes this message board garbage gets old...

oracle80 12-11-2006 12:37 PM
[quote=eurobounce]
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Originally Posted by oracle80
I have no interest in either. My interest is seeing my friend keep his job.
I'd say thats a pretty big interest wouldn't you?
Be like me saying I have "no interest" whatsoever in seeing one of my clients succeed because I don't own the horse. Obviously, I do.


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