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Danzig 06-08-2012 01:51 PM

i read today that walker is the first governor ever to survive a recall vote. hadn't realized that before...

wiphan 06-08-2012 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 866837)
Sorry. The Democrats have nothing at all to do with the multiple arrests out of Walker's office. That's the FBI.

BTW: Walker publicly has always said he called in the FBI and asked for the investigation. Walker is a stone cold liar. The release of memos this past weekend prove that Walker stonewalled the investigation as long as he could.

Maybe Walker can get a prison cell with Blagoevitch? Or maybe just with his multiple former employees. It's hard to tell, so many have been charged with felonies, so many have plea-bargained.

The people have indeed spoken and re-elected this lying, deceitful man. Hard to explain what uneducated voters do, but it's their right to be idiots. Hopefully the indictment will come down soon, and Wisconsin can move on from this disaster of this man's participation in politics a the local and state level.

Walker called for the John Doe investigation. That is a fact

Interesting because people voted against what you believe they are idiots. Of course you know what is best for them just like Obama so they should just trust you and give you all their money, votes, etc because you are in fact smarter than they are.

The 99% percenters appear to be off by 53%

Riot 06-08-2012 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 867156)
Walker called for the John Doe investigation. That is a fact

Not according to the e-mails from within Walkers' office that were published last Friday, and the FBI. They say Walker lied when he said he called for the investigation.

wiphan 06-08-2012 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 867160)
Not according to the e-mails from within Walkers' office that were published last Friday, and the FBI. They say Walker lied when he said he called for the investigation.

please provide proof of this

Clip-Clop 06-08-2012 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 867166)
please provide proof of this

Read a newspaper or something. Go look it up you will find it. Dismissed.

Riot 06-08-2012 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 867166)
please provide proof of this

See David Schusters articles and appearances from last Friday. It got buried in the election runup. Just google David Schuster and Scott Walker.

Here, from Daily Beast earlier this week: http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...in-on-him.html

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...138686104.html

And here: "Document suggests Walker stalled inquiry" http://m.jsonline.com/topstories/156065645.htm

Walker's campaign asked the FBI to publicly clear his name as a subject of the investigation before the election. They have to, by law, if Walker isn't the subject of the investigation. They refused to clear Walker's name. Walker is John Doe.

Walker now apparently has two problems: the campaign lawbreaking that occurred in his office in Milwaukee, and a federal probe now centering on his actions as Governor.

Some of what came out last Friday:

"Sources inside the Department of Justice’s public integrity unit, reported that Walker is indeed a target of a federal criminal probe. He pointed to the fact that the DA has not cleared Walker’s name, as they would be obligated to do if he requested it and he was not the target."

wiphan 06-08-2012 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 867170)
See David Schusters articles and appearances from last Friday. It got buried in the election runup. Just google David Schuster and Scott Walker.

Walker's campaign asked the FBI to publicly clear his name as a subject of the investigation before the election. They have to, by law, if Walker isn't the subject of the investigation. They refused to clear Walker's name. Walker is John Doe.

Walker now apparently has two problems: the campaign lawbreaking that occurred in his office in Milwaukee, and a federal probe now centering on his actions as Governor.

Some of what came out last Friday:

"Sources inside the Department of Justice’s public integrity unit, reported that Walker is indeed a target of a federal criminal probe. He pointed to the fact that the DA has not cleared Walker’s name, as they would be obligated to do if he requested it and he was not the target."

emails please no more bs, etc speculation. Why don't you actually follow what your signature line states. PROOF please

I am just an idiot from WI so I need to see actual proof of what you say not some newspaper or online article. Just the facts please. You said that their were emails published from Walkers office. Please show me just one email

Riot 06-08-2012 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 867174)
emails please no more bs, etc speculation. Why don't you actually follow what your signature line states. PROOF please

Look in my post, above, I found it and added links for you to click on.

Here, from Daily Beast earlier this week: http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...in-on-him.html

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...138686104.html

And here: "Document suggests Walker stalled inquiry" http://m.jsonline.com/topstories/156065645.htm

You will have to read them yourself, however.

wiphan 06-08-2012 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 867176)
Look in my post, above, I found it and added links for you to click on.

Here, from Daily Beast earlier this week: http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...in-on-him.html

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...138686104.html

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...138686104.html

You will have to read them yourself, however.

The MJS article is from Feb and has no emails in it

The other article has no emails in it either.

Do you have the emails please

Riot 06-08-2012 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 867177)
The MJS article is from Feb and has no emails in it

The other article has no emails in it either.

Do you have the emails please

Too lazy to click on links within the articles, huh? Have you simply not read any of the articles that have been published about your governor during his term? This is all new information for you, that you deliberately choose to ignore?

Yes, click on the third one. You will have to click on additional links, yourself, on the court documents, however, to read it yourself. And again, David Schuster published copies of the document last Friday, I'm still trying to find it.

"Document suggests Walker stalled inquiry"
http://m.jsonline.com/topstories/156065645.htm

Here, I'll copy part of it, so you don't have to click on a key

Quote:

Document suggests Walker stalled inquiry

By Daniel Bice of the Journal Sentinel

May 31, 2012 | (1333) Comments

Milwaukee County prosecutors opened the secret John Doe criminal investigation more than two years ago after being stonewalled by Gov. Scott Walker's office when he was county executive, according to a newly released record.

The document appears to cast doubt on some of Walker's claims about his role in launching and cooperating with the investigation.

On May 5, 2010, Assistant District Attorney Bruce Landgraf filed a petition with court officials asking if his office could initiate a secret investigation into what happened with $11,000 in donations intended for Operation Freedom, an annual event honoring veterans.

By making it a secret John Doe investigation, Landgraf wrote that prosecutors might get better cooperation from Walker's office, which had been "unwilling or unable" to turn over records and information needed in the investigation. He said he would need to subpoena county records and officials.

"It may be the County Executive's Office is reluctant to provide information to investigators due to a fear of political embarrassment," Landgraf wrote, noting that Walker was then running for governor.

But Ciara Matthews, spokeswoman for the governor's recall campaign, said the filing was inaccurate.

In 2009, Matthews said, Walker had his former chief of staff, Tom Nardelli, contact the DA's office [ edit for Wiphan: if you click on this link, in the original article, it takes you to the original document you want to read] over concerns about what a local chapter of the Military Order of the Purple Heart had done with donations it received from the county for Operation Freedom.

"Multiple follow-ups were made by the chief of staff to the district attorney's office to offer assistance in that investigation, and any statement to the contrary is not correct," Matthews said.

The document was included in a court filing this week by the lawyer for Timothy Russell, a former top-level Walker aide who has been charged with embezzling more than $25,000 intended for Operation Freedom and two political candidates. His attorney, Dennis Krueger, wants a judge to dismiss the charges against his client because they involved matters that reached far beyond the original scope of the John Doe probe.

The investigation has led to criminal charges against three former Walker aides, an appointee and a major campaign contributor.

On Thursday, Walker's former county spokeswoman, Fran McLaughlin, was granted immunity as part of the investigation. She is the 13th individual to receive immunity in the case.

Walker's current spokesman, Cullen Werwie, also has been given immunity to testify behind closed doors.

Continued ...

wiphan 06-08-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 867184)
Too lazy to click on links within the articles, huh? Have you simply not read any of the articles that have been published about your governor during his term? This is all new information for you, that you deliberately choose to ignore?

Yes, click on the third one. You will have to click on additional links, yourself, on the court documents, however, to read it yourself. And again, David Schuster published copies of the document last Friday, I'm still trying to find it.

"Document suggests Walker stalled inquiry"
http://m.jsonline.com/topstories/156065645.htm

Here, I'll copy part of it, so you don't have to click on a key

I am an idiot remember. Can you show me one email released from Walker's office? I still don't see it

Riot 06-08-2012 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 867193)
I am an idiot remember. Can you show me one email released from Walker's office? I still don't see it

Yes, I said you'd have to, you know, actually follow the links in the articles yourself. Here, because you were too stupid to figure out how to click in the article above, is a direct link to what you want.

Now, you will have to move your hand over to your mouse, and click on this. And read it.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...f+&hl=en&gl=us

bigrun 06-08-2012 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 867194)
Yes, I said you'd have to, you know, actually follow the links in the articles yourself. Here, because you were too stupid to figure out how to click in the article above, is a direct link to what you want.

Now, you will have to move your hand over to your mouse, and click on this. And read it.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...f+&hl=en&gl=us



not nice

Riot 06-08-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 867203)

not nice

Hey, I'm just agreeing with Wiphan. Wiphan was the one that said he was an idiot.

After all, I have posted, multiple times, the very document he wanted to see. He just, you know, keeps saying he can't "see" it.

Sounds pretty stupid to me.

wiphan 06-08-2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 867212)
Hey, I'm just agreeing with Wiphan. Wiphan was the one that said he was an idiot.

After all, I have posted, multiple times, the very document he wanted to see. He just, you know, keeps saying he can't "see" it.

Sounds pretty stupid to me.

I still don't see a single email from Scott Walker released or published in any of the information.

I voted for Scott Walker. You called all of the people that voted for him an idiot thus I along with 53% of the people that voted for Scott Walker for again are idiots according to you.

Riot 06-08-2012 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 867220)
I still don't see a single email from Scott Walker released or published in any of the information.

Yeah. They probably have it wrong in the copy of the actual criminal complaint I gave you the link to.

I said new documents show Walker lied. He didn't aid the criminal complaint, he stalled it. You said you wanted proof. I gave you the link to the actual legal court documents.

Keep denying it exists.

Quote:

I voted for Scott Walker. You called all of the people that voted for him an idiot thus I along with 53% of the people that voted for Scott Walker for again are idiots according to you.
Yes. I do think the 53% of people that voted for the clearly lying, under-investigation Scott Walker are idiots.

Here's one reason why: you might contact the Journal-Sentinel, and tell them that you think their story about Scott Walker lying about asking for the criminal investigation, rather actually blocking the criminal investigation, and the copies of the proof they published with the story (that you have been given the link to, but continue to deny it exists), is wrong.

wiphan 06-08-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 867225)
Yeah. They probably have it wrong in the copy of the actual criminal complaint I gave you the link to.

I said new documents show Walker lied. He didn't aid the criminal complaint, he stalled it. You said you wanted proof. I gave you the link to the actual legal court documents.

Keep denying it exists.



Yes. I do think the 53% of people that voted for the clearly lying, under-investigation Scott Walker are idiots.

Here's one reason why: you might contact the Journal-Sentinel, and tell them that you think their story about Scott Walker lying about asking for the criminal investigation, rather actually blocking the criminal investigation, and the copies of the proof they published with the story (that you have been given the link to, but continue to deny it exists), is wrong.

Fortunately you are in the minority

You specifically stated that there were released published emails from Scott Walker's office yet you can not produce a single one. Please provide just 1 email

wiphan 06-08-2012 03:28 PM

What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof.

Clip-Clop 06-08-2012 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 867253)
What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof.

Are you suggesting it is not in there? I read the entire thing and you sir are correct.

Riot 06-08-2012 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 867234)
Fortunately you are in the minority

You specifically stated that there were released published emails from Scott Walker's office yet you can not produce a single one. Please provide just 1 email

They are the attachments to the court documents you are ignoring the existence of.

Let's go back:

Riot says that it turns out Scott Walker lied. He did not ask for the criminal investigation, Walker stonewalled it.
Wiphan says, "Give me proof" that Scott Walker lied, and did not ask for the criminal investigation, but stonewalled it.
Riot provides the proof - in the form of the newspaper article outlining it, with the attachment of the original court complaint proving it.

Wiphan and Clip Clop pretend it doesn't exist.

Wiphan says, "Walker called for the John Doe investigation. That is a fact". No, Wiphan. Scott Walker lied about that, and the proof is right in front of your eyes.

Clip-Clop 06-08-2012 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 867278)
They are the attachments to the court documents you are ignoring the existence of.

Let's go back:

Riot says that it turns out Scott Walker lied. He did not ask for the criminal investigation, Walker stonewalled it.
Wiphan says, "Give me proof" that Scott Walker lied, and did not ask for the criminal investigation, but stonewalled it.
Riot provides the proof - in the form of the newspaper article outlining it, with the attachment of the original court complaint proving it.

Wiphan and Clip Clop pretend it doesn't exist.

Wiphan says, "Walker called for the John Doe investigation. That is a fact". No, Wiphan. Scott Walker lied about that, and the proof is right in front of your eyes.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...f+&hl=en&gl=us

Copy and paste from this document an email please.

wiphan 06-08-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 867281)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...f+&hl=en&gl=us

Copy and paste from this document an email please.

She can't. It doesn't exist.

I asked for 1 single email from Scott Walker's office. She can not produce it. GAME SET MATCH.

Riot 06-08-2012 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 867281)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...f+&hl=en&gl=us

Copy and paste from this document an email please.

The document isn't in a form that can be copy and pasted. So I assume you didn't even bother to open the link.

Once again, for the slow:

Riot says that it turns out Scott Walker lied. He did not ask for the criminal investigation, Walker stonewalled it.

Wiphan says, "Give me proof".

Riot provides the proof - in the form of the newspaper article outlining Walker's lies, with the attachment of the original court complaint proving it.

Wiphan and Clip Clop pretend it doesn't exist.

Wiphan says, "Walker called for the John Doe investigation. That is a fact".

No, Wiphan. Scott Walker lied about that, and the proof came out last Friday, and is right in front of your eyes in the link I provided.

Scott Walker lied to the public and the citizens of Wisconsin about asking for the John Doe investigation. He did not. He stonewalled it.

Scott Walker lied to Wisconsin about his criminal defense fund not being for himself. It is.

Scott Walker lied to Wisconsin about himself not being the subject of the investigation. He is. Walker is John Doe.


Quote:

Document suggests Walker stalled inquiry
By Daniel Bice of the Journal Sentinel
May 31, 2012

Milwaukee County prosecutors opened the secret John Doe criminal investigation more than two years ago after being stonewalled by Gov. Scott Walker's office when he was county executive, according to a newly released record.

Documents attached
GAME. SET. MATCH.

Clip-Clop 06-08-2012 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 867288)
The document isn't in a form that can be copy and pasted. So I assume you didn't even bother to open the link.

Once again, for the slow:

Riot says that it turns out Scott Walker lied. He did not ask for the criminal investigation, Walker stonewalled it.

Wiphan says, "Give me proof".

Riot provides the proof - in the form of the newspaper article outlining Walker's lies, with the attachment of the original court complaint proving it.

Wiphan and Clip Clop pretend it doesn't exist.

Wiphan says, "Walker called for the John Doe investigation. That is a fact".

No, Wiphan. Scott Walker lied about that, and the proof came out last Friday, and is right in front of your eyes in the link I provided.

Scott Walker lied to the public and the citizens of Wisconsin about asking for the John Doe investigation. He did not. He stonewalled it.

Scott Walker lied to Wisconsin about his criminal defense fund not being for himself. It is.

Scott Walker lied to Wisconsin about himself not being the subject of the investigation. He is. Walker is John Doe.

This is the html version of the file http://wispolitics.com/1006/large/12..._Kavanaugh.pdf.
Google automatically generates html versions of documents as we crawl the web

Top line, guess you never opened it, huh?

Clip-Clop 06-08-2012 04:37 PM

THE ABOVE NAMED COMPLAINING WITNESS BEENG DULY SWORN, ON ENFORMATION
AND BELIEF STATES THAT:
COUNT 1: THEFT (EMBEZZLEMENT) (VALUE EXCEEDING $10,000)
The above-named defendant between 2006 and 2009, at 3949 East Mallory Ave., in the City of
Cudahy, and other locations within Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, as trustee, having
possession of money of the Military Order of Purple Heart, Inc., Michelle Witmer Chapter 96,
having a value exceeding $10,000, did use such money without the owner's consent, contrary to
the defendant's authority, and with intent to convert said property to his own use or to the use of
any other person except the owner, contrary to sec. 943.20(1)(b) and (3)(c), 971 336(3)

Copied and pasted.

Riot 06-08-2012 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 867292)
THE ABOVE NAMED COMPLAINING WITNESS BEENG DULY SWORN, ON ENFORMATION
AND BELIEF STATES THAT:
COUNT 1: THEFT (EMBEZZLEMENT) (VALUE EXCEEDING $10,000)
The above-named defendant between 2006 and 2009, at 3949 East Mallory Ave., in the City of
Cudahy, and other locations within Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, as trustee, having
possession of money of the Military Order of Purple Heart, Inc., Michelle Witmer Chapter 96,
having a value exceeding $10,000, did use such money without the owner's consent, contrary to
the defendant's authority, and with intent to convert said property to his own use or to the use of
any other person except the owner, contrary to sec. 943.20(1)(b) and (3)(c), 971 336(3)

Copied and pasted.

Then you are far smarter than me, as I still cannot copy and paste from the document.

Once again:

Riot said that it turns out Scott Walker lied. He did not ask for the criminal investigation, Walker stonewalled it.

Wiphan says, "Give me proof".

Riot provides the proof - in the form of the newspaper article outlining Walker's lies, with the attachment of the original court complaint proving it.

So: now it's up to you and Wiphan: What part of the Journal-Sentinel article saying Scott Walker lied, and the court documents supporting it, do you think are not true? What part is the Journal-Sentinal lying about? And please provide the proof.

Riot 06-08-2012 05:20 PM

Why was the news about Scott Walker lying ignored during the election?

Because Walker supporters didn't want to accept the fact their governor lied to their faces.

Quote:

The Elephant in Scott Walker's Courtroom: A John Doe Investigation, a Rise to Power, and a Crazy Case

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politic...#ixzz1xF7KHX1B

..... continued ...

.... The John Doe investigation has been the elephant in the room of the recall election ever since it was launched. Democratic candidate Tom Barrett has been hammering at it over the past two weeks, and he appears to be getting some people to notice the possibility that Walker could win the recall and end up indicted anyway. The most significant turn of events came last week, on May 31, just as Walker and Barrett were preparing to debate that night, when Daniel Bice, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter who's been an absolute bulldog on this investigation, published a damaging piece in which Bice said that, contrary to Walker's repeated insistence that he had called for the John Doe investigation himself, the investigators on the case opened the investigation themselves after two years of stonewalling by Walker and his administration. Bice's story was based on a document filed with the court in the Russell case.

The conference in chambers lasted a little more than an hour. Once court resumed, Judge Hansher ruled that the trial itself would not begin until September, which, he said, would give the publicity surrounding the recall election a chance to die down, and ensure that Russell got a fair and impartial jury. Then, Hansher began talking about the document that had somehow gotten into the hands of Daniel Bice. "In chambers," the judge said, "Mr. Krueger admitted that he had given the material to Mr. Bice and that he had done so with his client's consent. Is that true?"

"Yes," said Dennis Krueger.

That got heads snapping to attention. Tim Russell's lawyer — and, therefore, Tim Russell — had made public damaging information about Scott Walker and undermined the whole ethical basis of the governor's response to charges that he had misused his public office for private gain. It is not unreasonable to assume that this either was a warning shot — take care of me or you're going down, too — or evidence that Russell already has rolled.

.... continued


Quote:

Document suggests Walker stalled inquiry
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noq...156065645.html

witchdoctor 06-10-2012 07:57 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC_ult6-Tb4

Danzig 06-10-2012 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by witchdoctor (Post 867882)

that was hilarious. well done by whoever put that together (whether you believe it all or not!).

bigrun 06-10-2012 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 867887)
that was hilarious. well done by whoever put that together (whether you believe it all or not!).

Funny stuff, there were several of those Hitler rants made, all different subjects...On one he finds out Obama is not a U.S citizen..lol..
There are several at this link..also finds out he's Jewish and black..:D

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc....0.SzVcNM0ZI7A

Alabama Stakes 06-29-2012 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 866839)
As an owner of two companies and an employer of a great many folks, I am entitled to as many slow days as I can get. See I am non-union and therefore have to often work more than 40 hours a week!! Sometimes even on weekends.


maybe if you had enough staff, you wouldn't have to work weekends. Maybe if your workers had a union, they would be more productive and you could be playin hosses on the weekends

geeker2 06-29-2012 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 872010)
maybe if you had enough staff, you wouldn't have to work weekends. Maybe if your workers had a union, they would be more productive and you could be playin hosses on the weekends

I laughed


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