Add 3 more into the Derby

Hero of Order:eek:
Mark Valeski-260,000 Now
Rousing Sermon-270,000 Now

Isn't He Clever might well need the Graded earnings to get in. El Padrino may be in jeopardy.

Hero of Order not TC nominated. Would cost $200k and he would still only get in if less than 20 are entered. That's not happening.

Right now if the Euro's,the filly and Drill ALL go then Isn't He Clever is #20 with $188,000 and Alpha/Optimizer are next in line

The only thing El Padrino has going for him is that unless a horse WINS a race they probably can't pass him

GRADED EARNINGS

1 Hansen Michael Maker $1,400,000
2 Daddy Long Legs Aidan O'Brien $1,294,030
3 Union Rags Michael Matz $1,170,000
4 Wrote (IRE) Aidan O'Brien $756,630
5 Take Charge Indy Patrick Byrne $698,400
6 Creative Cause Mike Harrington $686,000
7 Sabercat Steve Asmussen $601,429
8 Daddy Nose Best Steve Asmussen $545,558
9 Secret Circle Bob Baffert $470,000
10 Dullahan Dale Romans $405,000
11 Liaison Bob Baffert $393,000
12 Prospective Mark Casse $365,452
13 Drill Bob Baffert $300,000
14 On Fire Baby (f) Gary Hartlage $286,729
15 Went the Day Well Graham Motion $282,000
16 Rousing Sermon Jerry Hollendorfer $270,000
17 Mark Valeski Larry Jones $260,000
18 El Padrino Todd Pletcher $250,000
19 Reveron Agustin Bezara $220,000
20 Isn't He Clever Henry Dominguez $188,000
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21 Optimizer D. Wayne Lukas $181,375
22 Alpha Kiaran McLaughlin $180,000
23 Trinniberg Bisnath Parboo $174,500
24 Castaway Bob Baffert $162,000
25 I'll Have Another Doug O'Neill $151,000
26 Currency Swap Teresa Pompay $150,000
27 My Adonis Kelly Breen $130,000
28 Battle Hardened Eddie Kenneally $127,000
29 Genten Yoshito Yahagi $123,826
30 Brother Francis James Cassidy $120,000
31 Mr. Bowling Larry Jones $115,848
32 Lucky Chappy (IRE) Graham Motion $115,000
33 Jack's in the Deck Robin Graham $105,000
34 Gemologist Todd Pletcher $103,855
35 Longview Drive Jerry Hollendorfer $102,834
36 Scatman Michael Lauer $100,000
37 Shared Property Thomas Amoss $99,700
38 Fly Lexis Fly Arturo Morales $99,481
39 Stirred Up Bob Baffert $96,000
40 Howe Great Graham Motion $90,000
41 State of Play Graham Motion $90,000
42 Zip Top (IRE) James Bolger $85,244
43 Jake Mo Allen Milligan $85,000
44 News Pending Dale Romans $80,000
45 Handsome Mike Doug O'Neill $73,500
46 Golden Ticket Kenneth McPeek $70,000
47 Z Dager Steven Asmussen $65,000
48 Power World Bill Mott $61,354
49 Bodemeister Bob Baffert $60,000
50 Midnight Transfer Carla Gaines $36,000

pretty crazy to think that if some horses other than the favorites win some of the next big prep races Went the Day well after a win in a $500k prep race could be on the outside looking in..

Funny how quick EL PADRINO goes from being one of the fav's, to maybe not making the field.

I really don't understand why Pletcher did not ship him back to FG for the LA Derby.

He's too busy finding spots for Raconteur, Stat, Windsurfer, and Heavy Breathing to focus on his actual contenders.

I wonder if El Padrino will be an 11th hour addition to the Lexington if next Saturday's preps knock him further down the list.

Heavy Breathing and Windsurfer are both decent. What's second in Santa Anita derby worth? I need Midnight Transfer in.

Purse payoffs for SA Derby are as follows:

1st---$450,000
2nd---$150,000
3rd---$90,000
4th---$45,000
5th---$15,000

Yang Tse Kiang purchased by Hong Kong interests and likely to be shipped there, off the trail.

Glad he isn't wasting a spot(IMO).

Cozzetti is not running in the Wood, he is going to run in (and win) The Arkansas Derby. (I Hope)

Owners website announced they would not enter him in another race until the derby(if he makes it in).

Updated this morning.

http://www.dailyracingnews.com/colum...rnings-2012-2/

The graded earnings stuff is starting to reach fever pitch. I think this year it could really blow-up depending on how a few things shake-out.

A horse like El Padrino, having won a "key" 3yo prep and having run a decent enough race in the Florida Derby, is more deserving of a chance than say a 2yo sprinter. Went The Day Well, whether you like him or not, is supposed to be in the gate for the Derby, but is currently 19th. Yes, I know, a lot can happen between now and May (and a lot will), but still.

I'm sorta tired of the "when was the last time a legit horse was left out" stuff because suddenly, particularly this year, graded earnings are more common than 7-Elevens's and Circle K's.

On the flip side, it feels as though this system is going to force trainers to actually run their horses a bit... and the "two prep" method might suffer a bit, which is a good thing.

Why isn't Ever So Lucky listed in the Graded earnings? He was 3rd in a Grade III this year, and 2nd in a Grade II last year. Plus, he's entered in the Bluegrass, though he doesn't look good to me in that race, it's possible he could get 3rd.

I agree about the earnings thing, but not necessarily with your examples of El Padrino and Went The Day Well.

If El Padrino doesn't make the cut, blame the connections. They ditched the obvious and logical course of action of starting him in the Louisiana Derby. While the Risen Star is an important springboard, it is not really a "prep" in its own right. Looking at the 1-2-3 finishers in its past 30 runnings, only Risen Star and Mucho Macho Man have even hit the board in the Kentucky Derby (both 3rd in 1988 and 2011). I know Tejano Run came out of that race as well, but overall it hasn't been particularly productive.

Went The Day Well won the Spiral, which is a Grade 3 race. While it has the recency of Animal Kingdom's one-in-a-million double, its hardly recognized as a marquee race anymore, and its running on a synthetic surface does it no favors. In addition, Went The Day Well has done little outside of this race, so he actually could be considered a horse that is riding the "earnings gravy train" straight into the Derby, with little to back it up.

I think $260,000 gets a horse in the gate actually.

I don't see Wrote going, unless I've missed some recent news. Sabercat's connections are going to have a hard time sending him after he has no impact in the AD. I doubt Baffert sends Drill after he gets beat by a pole this weekend, and he's probably smart enough to know Liason is a waste of time as well. On Fire Baby? Rousing Sermon?

Then, I hate to say it, but there will be at least one horse get sick or injured as well.

On another list I saw him at $48,502.

Thanks. With only $48k Ever So Lucky would have to get 2nd place to have any shot.

I think he goes unless he's hurt...

http://www.drf.com/news/oaklawn-park...hells-asmussen

You know Liaison and Drill will be there as well.

I like the sly move of putting Drill in the undercard at Oaklawn rather than exposing him in the Blue Grass. That way it won't be so obvious that the horse is in there to keep an AE horse out of the body of the race.

I wonder if he tries a Hail Mary with Stirred Up in one of the Keeneland races instead.

Sabercat was at the top of my list early on, even off those less than stellar wins at 2, they were wins nonetheless.. I will be interested to see if there is any progression at 3 (I can toss the Rebel as needing one) in the Ark before completely dismissing, but typically the "free ride" that the horse gets for winning the Delta Jackpot Stakes has never really impacted the the Derby trail or the Kentucky Derby

Trinniberg is listed as 15% for the Derby, 85% for the Preakness. Which of course means 100% for the Derby and 75% for the Preakness as well.

Considering Exothermic hasn't had a published work in six weeks, I'm guessing he's no longer under consideration for the Blue Grass or Lexington and my $200 Wynn futuer wager on him at 85-1 can now be used as a place to put my chewed gum.

Rusty Arnold on ATR earlier. Summer turf stake campaign.

KEE: 4/14/12 - Blue Grass (G1) -- Current Field

Dullahan (Romans)
Ever So Lucky (Sheppard)
Hansen (Maker)
Heavy Breathing (Pletcher)
Hero of Order (Dorochenko) -- Possible
Holy Candy (Sadler)
Howe Great (Motion)
Midnight Crooner (Baffert)
Politicallycorrect (Ward)
Prospective (Casse)
Russian Greek (Dorochenko)

Adirondack King (Servis) -- Lexington
Golden Ticket (McPeek) Lexington
Scatman (Lauer) -- Lexington

Raconteur (Pletcher) -- Unlikely

Maybe that dolt Sheppard no longer thinks Ever So Lucky is a sprinter!

$200 on a turf horse to win the Derby...:eek:

Hero of Order probable for Blue Grass
 

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...the-blue-grass

I get that when your horse gets a graded win, you look for other graded stakes so I'm not begrudging them the obvious course of action, esp. for a $750,000 race. It's not like they can wait on the sidelines til the Derby with some really expensive 'no no, you take this one, we'll wait.' I was just thinking that if I had a horse that missed out on sufficient Derby earnings because a another horse with no way of getting in finished ahead of mine, I'd be p'od.

Then there's the problem of an embarrassment of riches (well, two promising 3yos who've won something with the word "Derby" in it counts here). The trainer's got Russian Greek too. Was there no way to keep these two apart so the one who's Triple Crown nominated and by Giant's Causeway out of a Grindstone mare would have a better shot at getting the dough without having to deal with the one who's not TC nominated? Does Dorochenko have an ownership interest in either?

Hero of Order was bought for $3,000. It'd be a curious situation if he won 2 big Derby preps and then couldn't enter the race.

If you needed to beat Hero of Order to get to the Derby, and you couldn't, I'd be pissed that my horse was nowhere near as good as I originally thought...not that I didn't make the Derby.

That's the most interesting Blue Grass field in a while.

:tro:

That's what people said about Animal Kingdom. And have you seen how the horses that Exothermic has beaten have performed in subsequent starts?

I had a smaller future on Exothermic - by Empire Maker, there was every reason to think he'd get over dirt - but there really isn't much need to try now as he'll miss those classics.

There was every reason to think Exothermic would get over dirt because his sire is Empire Maker?

I was willing to take the chance that the son of a Florida Derby/Wood Memorial/Belmont winner was going to get over dirt - at 85-1. But the brilliance of his dam made it pretty clear turf would be his best game.