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Antitrust32 05-20-2011 02:11 PM

That press release was amazing. Newt has no shot and I'm disappointed, but hey at least Huckabee wont be getting the nom either.

But I do agree with this from the press release:

Washington cannot tolerate threats from outsiders who might disrupt their comfortable world

Riot 05-20-2011 02:21 PM

Hey, Pawlenty "officially" threw in today, I heard :D

Poor Newt. He quit prematurely as a Congressman, the ethics and tax charges, has gotten no love by his party since.

Antitrust32 05-20-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777730)
Hey, Pawlenty "officially" threw in today, I heard :D

Poor Newt. He quit prematurely as a Congressman, the ethics and tax charges, has gotten no love by his party since.

he should have been a democrat!

Riot 05-20-2011 05:06 PM

The cool thing about Newt, is that I doubt he's going anywhere. ;) I'll bet he's still "running" up until Iowa.

If anybody missed this amazing week in politics, Jason Linkins has a funny, blow-by-blow, day-by-day with video excerpts of Newt's historic entry into the Presidential race. It's pretty funny.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_864782.html

dellinger63 05-20-2011 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777781)
The cool thing about Newt, is that I doubt he's going anywhere. ;) I'll bet he's still "running" up until Iowa.

If anybody missed this amazing week in politics, Jason Linkins has a funny, blow-by-blow, day-by-day with video excerpts of Newt's historic entry into the Presidential race. It's pretty funny.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_864782.html

Newt's going no where. Once he made the mistake of somehow agreeing with Obamacare or anything related to it, he was done. He doesn't realize where the Republican party is right now. Mad as hell and ain't gonna take it anymore! I agree with you Riot goodbye Newt!

Riot 05-20-2011 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 777803)
Newt's going no where. Once he made the mistake of somehow agreeing with Obamacare or anything related to it, he was done.

:zz: None of this had anything to do with the PPACA. This had nothing to do with any Democratic plans, or Democrats at all. It had to do with the Republican budget plan passed by the House. Have you not watched the news at all this past week? :zz:

dellinger63 05-20-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777814)
:zz: None of this had anything to do with the PPACA. This had nothing to do with any Democratic plans, or Democrats at all. It had to do with the Republican budget plan passed by the House. Have you not watched the news at all this past week? :zz:

When he said he agreed americans should be 'forced' to buy health insurance he was done.

When he made a fool of himself by trashing Paul Ryan he just finished digging the hole.

Nascar1966 05-20-2011 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777814)
:zz: None of this had anything to do with the PPACA. This had nothing to do with any Democratic plans, or Democrats at all. It had to do with the Republican budget plan passed by the House. Have you not watched the news at all this past week? :zz:

Blame it on the Republicans like you always do. I'm pretty confident that if the budget wasn't passed the Dems would put all the blame on the Republicans like they always do. Didn't the Dems control both the House and Senate when the budget should of been passed months ago?

Riot 05-20-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 777824)
Blame it on the Republicans like you always do. I'm pretty confident that if the budget wasn't passed the Dems would put all the blame on the Republicans like they always do. Didn't the Dems control both the House and Senate when the budget should of been passed months ago?

You are the most remarkably uncomprehending adult person I've ever seen.

Can you read above a 3rd grade level?

This discussion is about the Republican candidate Newt Gingrich, and the public discussions within the Republican party this past week about Gingrich's public policy statements.

I don't know what you are yammering on about, but it's not about this.

Riot 05-20-2011 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 777820)
When he said he agreed americans should be 'forced' to buy health insurance he was done.

When he made a fool of himself by trashing Paul Ryan he just finished digging the hole.

American's being "forced" to buy health insurance was a huge Republican plan in the 1990's. Nearly all Republicans supported this until Obama was elected. Not wanting all Americans to have health care is a "new" GOP position, just in the past couple-three years. They always strongly pushed for it, and health care for all was always a part of the Republican platform.

He never had a chance, but I wish he was around for nostalgia's and counterpoint's sake. He will be until Iowa, I think. I agree, it shows how much the Republican party has changed in the past 15 years. I could not believe how fast they ate him alive. That is scary for this country.

Nascar1966 05-20-2011 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777827)
You are the most remarkably uncomprehending adult person I've ever seen.

Can you read above a 3rd grade level?

This discussion is about the Republican candidate Newt Gingrich, and the public discussions within the Republican party this past week about Gingrich's public policy statements.

I don't know what you are yammering on about, but it's not about this.

GFY you wench

Riot 05-20-2011 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 777833)
GFY you wench

You are of quite limited communication skills.

Nascar1966 05-20-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777836)
You are of quite limited communication skills.

Guess the truth hurts you. You seem to use GFY a lot. You must also have limited communication skills. Guess it is ok for use to use it excessively but good old Nascar can't. Cry to someone who really cares.

Riot 05-20-2011 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 777838)
Guess the truth hurts you. You seem to use GFY a lot.

No, I rarely use that phrase. You just find it directed against you quite frequently.

Nascar1966 05-20-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777841)
No, I rarely use that phrase. You just find it directed against you quite frequently.


Remember this quote directed at Obama "You lie"

Riot 05-20-2011 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 777843)
Remember this quote directed at Obama "You lie"

No, I don't lie. I rarely use that phrase, and anyone can read my posts in the archives that prove it. You, on the other hand, seem limited to cursing obscenities at people you don't like on this board. And your posts in the archives show that. So go away, you hateful little person.

Nascar1966 05-20-2011 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777847)
No, I don't lie. I rarely use that phrase, and anyone can read my posts in the archives that prove it. You, on the other hand, seem limited to cursing obscenities at people you don't like on this board. And your posts in the archives show that. So go away, you hateful little person.

Whatever troll. I start my vacation in the morning and the best thing about the vacation is that it is going to be a Riot and JMS62 free vacation. Talk about me all you to when I won't be on here . It won't hurt me at all. Deny all you want to about using GFY.

jms62 05-21-2011 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 777854)
Whatever troll. I start my vacation in the morning and the best thing about the vacation is that it is going to be a Riot and JMS62 free vacation. Talk about me all you to when I won't be on here . It won't hurt me at all. Deny all you want to about using GFY.

The moron doth protest too much, methinks.

dellinger63 05-21-2011 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777829)
American's being "forced" to buy health insurance was a huge Republican plan in the 1990's. Nearly all Republicans supported this until Obama was elected. Not wanting all Americans to have health care is a "new" GOP position, just in the past couple-three years. They always strongly pushed for it, and health care for all was always a part of the Republican platform..

Look I like Republicans want all Americans to have health insurance. In fact I want everyone to have a home and job as well. I'm just a realist and know this is impossible unless some Americans are 'forced' to pay for others. Stop listening to Huffingon. It was Hillarycare in the 90's and she is no republican.

A person right now can go into an ER room with a broken leg, have it set, get a few pain pills, and he's gone. Yes we pick it up in inflated bills. Wth Obamacare that same person now with an insurance card paid for by you and I will go in, maybe have a second opinion, possibly a scan, be prescribed therapy, more pain pills and a second x-ray to make sure the bone has healed. 2K v. maybe 8K. And that's a minor scenario. Also should you or I have a broken bone at the same time we'll have the chance to wait in line behind this newly insured person. Sorry many are able to see this is not a way to right the ship instead it's akin to pulling the drain plug.

Riot 05-21-2011 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 777914)
Look I like Republicans want all Americans to have health insurance. In fact I want everyone to have a home and job as well. I'm just a realist and know this is impossible unless some Americans are 'forced' to pay for others. Stop listening to Huffingon. It was Hillarycare in the 90's and she is no republican.

:zz: No. Republicans in the 1990's (and before) were always in favor of universal health care. Check out their party platforms. They were strongly for it right up until the time a Democrat beat them to it and got something passed in 2010.

And yes, Dell, we all pay for others now - can you simply not understand this reality?

Quote:

A person right now can go into an ER room with a broken leg, have it set, get a few pain pills, and he's gone. Yes we pick it up in inflated bills. Wth Obamacare that same person now with an insurance card paid for by you and I will go in, maybe have a second opinion, possibly a scan, be prescribed therapy, more pain pills and a second x-ray to make sure the bone has healed. 2K v. maybe 8K.
No. That is a ridiculous, imaginary scenario. That is not how our health care system works now.

Quote:

Also should you or I have a broken bone at the same time we'll have the chance to wait in line behind this newly insured person.
To say nothing of the unbelievable statement that you want to begrudge another human health insurance because you might be inconvenienced.

"Obamacare" is in effect now. Tell me how you've suffered.

Riot 05-21-2011 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 777854)
Whatever troll. I start my vacation in the morning and the best thing about the vacation is that it is going to be a Riot and JMS62 free vacation. Talk about me all you to when I won't be on here . It won't hurt me at all. Deny all you want to about using GFY.

Tell you what, Nascar: I'll pay you a dollar for every time I've told another poster to GFY in my last 500 posts. But you also have to agree to pay me a dollar for every time you've told another poster to GFY in your last 100 posts.

(and yes, we can see when posts have been post-edited)

dellinger63 05-21-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777928)
"Obamacare" is in effect now. Tell me how you've suffered.

As I said my insurance went up not down not to mention I've been prejudiced against, as I have no waiver.

miraja2 05-21-2011 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777928)
Republicans in the 1990's (and before) were always in favor of universal health care.

If that's true, how do you explain 1993?

Riot 05-21-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 777970)
If that's true, how do you explain 1993?

Politics. And Hilary's involvement. None of them can stand the other parties success. If Teddy Kennedy hadn't freaked out about it not being aggressive enough, we'd all have had Richard Nixon's mandated health care from our employers years ago. As it is, much of what ended up in the PPACA has plenty of Republican history and previous recommendation. They can't stand that a Dem finally gets credit for passing something (because most of us realize the PPACA isn't any aggressive or major "socalized medicine" overhaul. It's some tweeks to administration by private companies, in an effort to simply better provide consumer protections to people within the current system)

It's strange, what the GOP has turned into, in the past 5-6 years. Very bizzaro.

miraja2 05-21-2011 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777992)
Politics. And Hilary's involvement. None of them can stand the other parties success. If Teddy Kennedy hadn't freaked out about it not being aggressive enough, we'd all have had Richard Nixon's mandated health care from our employers years ago. As it is, much of what ended up in the PPACA has plenty of Republican history and previous recommendation. They can't stand that a Dem finally gets credit for passing something (because most of us realize the PPACA isn't any aggressive or major "socalized medicine" overhaul. It's some tweeks to administration by private companies, in an effort to simply better provide consumer protections to people within the current system)

It's strange, what the GOP has turned into, in the past 5-6 years. Very bizzaro.

I think the conservative counterrevolution goes back a bit further, and I think you may be underestimating how ideologically opposed many Republicans in Congress were to health care reform by 1993.
You are surely correct that the Republican "conservatism" of the Nixon/Goldwater/Rockefeller era was a whole lot different than it is today, but I don't think it just suddenly changed in the W era. The Post-Regan Republicans of the 90s were already pretty set in their anti-government (by the standards of the 60s and 70s) ways.

Danzig 05-21-2011 05:51 PM

i don't think it has so much to do with who comes up with the idea-it's how citizens react to ideas, and the pols need for re-election.
look at the defense of marriage act. who signed it? and why? it all comes down to political points. at the time, the majority was against gay marriage. now, that's changed, and so has the govt in response.
the govt. doesn't change the people, it's the opposite.

Coach Pants 05-21-2011 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 775996)
he's the best choice as far as conservatives go. He's probably most intelligent man (at least for running a government) that will be involved in the 2012 race, both parties included.

:wf

Coach Pants 05-21-2011 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 776844)
STFU

:tro:

Coach Pants 05-21-2011 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 777303)
seriously?


GOP Rep. Ron Paul stands by his comments the United States should have told Pakistan that American officials were aware of Osama bin Laden’s whereabouts before conducting the raid that led to his demise, Politico reports.

“Why are we having trouble with the [Pakistani] government, why are we stirring up a civil war in Pakistan? It's because we’ve been bombing it," Paul said on "Fox News Sunday."

Paul, who announced Friday he is running for the GOP presidential nomination, said his opposition to the U.S. mission to kill bin Laden is indicative of his non-interventionist foreign policy.


If Ron Paul and his beliefs were in place 30 years ago then there wouldn't be a bin Laden.

Think about that.

GBBob 05-21-2011 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 778136)
If Ron Paul and his beliefs were in place 30 years ago then there wouldn't be a bin Laden.

Think about that.

I actually won a race and CP is back...it really is the end

dellinger63 05-21-2011 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 778137)
I actually won a race and CP is back...it really is the end


Congrats gonna go watch the victory now.

GBBob 05-21-2011 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 778138)
Congrats gonna go watch the victory now.

It's actually a good one

Coach Pants 05-21-2011 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 778137)
I actually won a race and CP is back...it really is the end

Bob...congrats on the win. I perused the smart threads and noticed you won race 9 on a Saturday at Arlington. That purse is bulls.hit. Looks like even big ol' Arlington Park is in a McRecovery.

GBBob 05-21-2011 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 778142)
Bob...congrats on the win. I perused the smart threads and noticed you won race 9 on a Saturday at Arlington. That purse is bulls.hit. Looks like even big ol' Arlington Park is in a McRecovery.

Monday Race 8 at Parx. That (seriously) is a big'un..could be a fun summer with him.

and..thnx

dellinger63 05-21-2011 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 778140)
It's actually a good one

Yes it was. :tro:

Coach Pants 05-21-2011 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 778146)
Monday Race 8 at Parx. That (seriously) is a big'un..could be a fun summer with him.

and..thnx


Bet you wouldn't mind a fast track eh? Gonna make 110?

GBBob 05-21-2011 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 778149)
Bet you wouldn't mind a fast track eh? Gonna make 110?

shoot man..85 and on to the next. Beggers can't be choosers.

He just needs to win this race. He's gelded , healthy and isn't going anywhere. It's not the like the olders are SNL/Timberlake

Coach Pants 05-21-2011 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 778151)
shoot man..85 and on to the next. Beggers can't be choosers.

He just needs to win this race. He's gelded , healthy and isn't going anywhere. It's not the the olders are SNL/Timberlake

I can't mush you dude. Plus I hate betting on my blackberry. Every Nerdy Trailing Degenerate (N.T.D.)© and Brisnerd in the country will be firing on it.

Danzig 05-22-2011 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 778136)
If Ron Paul and his beliefs were in place 30 years ago then there wouldn't be a bin Laden.

Think about that.


and if my aunt had a d..k she'd be my uncle. and there is no bin laden now, yay.




welcome back.

Coach Pants 05-22-2011 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 778164)
and if my aunt had a d..k she'd be my uncle. and there is no bin laden now, yay.




welcome back.

That's a defeatist way to look at it.


The Afghan Mujahideen was armed, trained and funded by the CIA. Now you're going to find mostly denial and propaganda from the mainstream media on this issue.

But all you have to do is look at the times back in 1979-1989 and you can clearly see that Russia was our #1 enemy.

Look at our funding of rebels in Libya, which I'm sure they will continue to deny that any Al Qaeda is involved.

Don't stop believing. :rolleyes:

Thanks on the friendly welcome back.


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