I could be wrong and if so I will come back and apologize when jms responds....but my interpretation was jms wasn't speaking of all military. Just Nascar.

I know. I totally feel the same way about VA healthcare, military folks getting free rides to college, and their pensions.*

I'm not using any of those, so maybe they could separate my tax dollars out so they don't pay for them, right?

Your "I've got mine (from your tax dollars), so f*ck you (and be sure not to touch my tax dollars)" schtick would be laughable if it weren't so goddamn pathetic.

*with the disclaimer that I am not actually against any of these things, but Nascar's logic (if you could even call it that), means that he shouldn't get any of the things he so cherishes, because people who won't ever be using them are the ones paying for them.

Please give me a little credit. Nascar's postings on these threads should leave no doubt that college wasn't an option regardless of what he says. For chrisakes West point and Annapolis are among the toughest schools out there. They certainly are not turning out dummies. But at least I gave you a chance to red board your breeding abilities;) my post was meant for one and only one person. And for the record I am not against military pensions but chose to use it to point out the hypocrisy in his postings.

perhaps. i hope so. and if so, i apologize for getting snarky. it's just one of my pet peeves.

REALLY!?!?! REALLY!??!?! You post an out of context QUESTION that was directed at you as your evidence!?!?! Do you really in your feeble mind think for one second that anyone posting on these threads would buy the absolute nonsense you are attempting to pass as evidence. You do realize that you are insulting the intelligence of all here by even making the attempt.

No i'm happy for you that your knee is fine. Good luck with riding.. I'm scared of heights. I prefer ground work with horses and / or betting on them (every once and awhile)

i was gonna say before... dont spend too much money on lawyers!

Those people are getting healthcare now, but only emergency - they are tying up emergency rooms and trauma centers for diabetes blood checks and colds/flu, sprains, etc!

Get them insurance so they get preventive care (lowering all our healthcare costs, because we pay for them in the ER), get them out of the ER and hospitals, and get them into a regular doctor's office where they belong.

The government does that now - provides educational subsidies for doctors, they replay loans with service. The army does it, too. Ever see the show Northern Exposure? Yes, I agree expansion of those programs would be great. Trouble is, that puts a newly credentialed doctor who just came off 4 plus years of lowpaid work (intern, residency) and puts them right in another few years of low paid work. This is when people want to start families, etc. They are 35-40 years old before they then join a practice, and start to make any money to pay off student loans. Let alone buy the house, etc. That's why those programs are not popular with doctors.

I would rather have insurance costs lowered so more Americans can be insured, pay for their own insurance, all our costs go down for insurance because the pools are bigger, they start getting better healthcare for preventive care so everyone gets healthier, which brings all our costs down.

Rather than leaving them uninsured and depending upon others for charity.

Edit: Dell, have you heard what's happened in Arizona? Real death panels. Governor Jan Brewer has taken money away from anybody on the state medicaid that needs a transplant, to save money in the overall state budget. Two people have died already.

One person's operation was canceled the morning they were being wheeled into a surgery suite to get a new liver - a friend had died and given them the liver, but that was the morning Jan Brewer cancelled the funding. That person never got that liver.

Other state legislators are furious, and have come up with other ways to keep that program funded but cut the funding from non-life-threatening portions of the state budget, but Jan Brewer refuses to address it.

What do you think of that, Dell? When withholding money kills real people with real families? And they are not "freeloaders" on the state.

Connemara pony! A Shetland pony cart! You could even do cross-country :tro:

Exactly, and that's why insurance companies have been able to get away with rescission. People have illness or operations, the insurance tells the patient, doctor and hospital they'll pay, they approve the admit then whoops - they decide later not to pay.

People now have huge medical bills threatening their mortgages, etc, they can't spend money on lawyers to chase down these insurance companies.

If a person is going to the ER for a diabetes blood check, that is a waste of the ER. I do my own checks. They are very easy to do and all it is a little pinch.

How nice of you to offer that to me.

I took a job that gave me a pension and excellent medical care. Dont be jealous at what I have and you dont have. I earned it by working just like most of you people here work. I dont collect Welfare, Food Stamps, and free housing like other people do because they dont want to get off thier dead @ss and do the right thing and get a job. Im tired of my taxpaying money supporting deadbeats who don't want to find a job because they get the free handout. If your not collecting a pension not my fault. You should of found a job that would of given you a pension. Most of you here have no clue about military life and the strain it puts on a family.

Did any prestigous college come knocking on your door? I love it your still jealous at what I have and what you want. I guess you feel it it is ok for a CEO at a company that was bailed out Obama to collect a great pension.

It would probably be a more progressive horse, rather than a conservative horse, however :rolleyes:

STFU

Go F Yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you like my new signature j@ck@ss?

Do you think that there are some, if not many or most, getting "government handouts" (Medicaid, unemployment, SCHIPS for kids, etc) that are not deadbeats? That these programs do serve as a safety net for our fellow Americans who are suffering a rough time? That folks get off these programs as soon as they can?

Yes, I agree there are deadbeats, but I do not think that is the majority of people getting these handouts.

Did I say everyone was a deadbeat? I pass by a food bank in my area when I go to my Post Office Box and check to see if I have any mail. Most of these people who are there have a nicer vehicle than me. Im sure it is in a relative or child's name. Yet that person is paying for the car and insurance.

I'm just trying to find out if you think the programs themselves are all inherently bad, and should be eliminated (like Dell does); or the programs are good but who gets aid needs to be carefully screened, etc.

Better screening at who gets the aid needs to be done. Yes some people have fallen on hard times and need the assistance for a few months. I don't want to see a family starve or not have a roof to live under.

You never responded to the poll that you whined to get taken down. Higher or lower than 50?

I think alot of people who used to have good jobs have lost them, and yes, they still have the nice cars (and yes, the insurance hopefully) and the nice houses that went with having that money - but they need help to eat if they have families and kids.

Should they sell the car and buy a used beater, use the difference for food? Possibly, but I'm sure they just want help until they are employed again. Most charity places don't ask questions, but I can't imagine that people that don't need the help, and can afford all the groceries they want, are abusing it to walk in there to get free cans of soup and boxes of macaroni and cheese.

You don't care so much that you need a new signature to tell people you don't care. :zz:

the only way to financial peace is to walk with the Prince of Peace, and that's Jesus Christ

Contrary to what you and jms62 and whomever else believes I never whined to get the IQ poll taken down. I was enjoying the response's on it. I would be willing to take a lie detector test to prove I didn't whine to anyone about it.

You love the new signature. Excellent. Im going play to into what you and others think of me.

There is such as a thing as living within your means.

Good idea. Let's get a lie detector set up for this real important matter.

Question answered. Definitely lower.

Did you forgot that I could care less what anyone thinks about me and what I post here?

I'm convinced.

Finally your convinced I could less what anyone thinks about me or what I post?

Figure it out.

In your area people might not be abusing it. Here where im at there is no doubt people are abusing it.

Just for info I don't use the VA for medical needs. I use regular doctors just like you do.

Congrats on your family's military history. Hope your son is staying warm in Great Lakes.
This time of the year it is pretty cold there.

I'm sure you just slipped this one in for the shock value!;)

Company insurance plan comes up for renewal in April. Cost went up over $2000 for 3 employees that are covered under the plan. One employee has 3 children on it with 1 child with a pre-existing condition.

We're going to be shopping for something else, but Anthem and one other company won't quote any prices until after sign up.

Like the credit card companies that tried to financially gouge their customers in the months before the credit card protection restrictions kicked in. Let them tell you they no longer offer coverage for children, too.

"Won't quote prices until after sign up" - and people say no regulation is needed of this industry? Believe me, they would hold you to the price contract - as they freely disregard theirs, and indulge in rescission for the child with a pre-existing condition exclusion.

This is the folly of our nation: having what we receive as healthcare determined by those that make more money by not giving us healthcare.

We need to screw all this stuff and just go to single payer. Let everyone in the country buy the same insurance, of the same quality, Federal employees have. No exclusions, no pre-existing conditions. Just one big pool, everyone gets great health insurance with modern coverage.

What a coincident your health insurance goes up around the same time Obamacare is approvd.