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dellinger63 05-26-2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651460)


BTW, women drive in several "Muslim" cultures. GASP!

yes and no? Look it up

then look up other opportunities for girls in Muslim coutries say the evolved Saudi Arabia (Girls of Saud don't count as that's prejudice) and get back to me.

Coach maybe onto something w/you?

Riot 05-26-2010 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651464)
yes and no? Look it up

then look up other opportunities for girls in Muslim coutries say the evolved Saudi Arabia (Girls of Saud don't count as that's prejudice) and get back to me.

Coach maybe onto something w/you?

:zz: You're way out in whacky land, Dell, talking about positions I don't hold, and things I never said nor never would.

I am only responsible for things I actually have said, Dell, not what the voices in your head are saying ;)

dellinger63 05-26-2010 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651470)
:zz: You're way out in whacky land, Dell, talking about positions I don't hold, and things I never said nor never would.

I am only responsible for things I actually have said, Dell, not what the voices in your head are saying ;)


give me a break! You've been the DEETEE cheerleader for all things muslim for at least a couple years. Be loud and proud! Don't back track ever. Shows your weaknesses before the bluff is called.

GBBob 05-26-2010 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651476)
give me a break! You've been the DEETEE cheerleader for all things muslim for at least a couple years. Be loud and proud! Don't back track ever. Shows your weaknesses before the bluff is called.

Not quite...She just isn't willing to put all Muslims in interment camps like you and Scuds are, that's all. A bad Christian, is a bad Jew, is a bad Athiest is a bad Muslim, etc...There are millions of muslims that want to hurt us and many more millions that don't. I'm not going to throw out the baby with the bath water.

dellinger63 05-26-2010 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 651491)
Not quite...She just isn't willing to put all Muslims in interment camps like you and Scuds are, .

my grandpa was in a camp HERE, and accepted it cause he was HERE!

He also described it as a great time as he was getting 3 squares and building barraks to help us defeat the country he came from.

Riot 05-26-2010 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651476)
give me a break! You've been the DEETEE cheerleader for all things muslim for at least a couple years. Be loud and proud! Don't back track ever. Shows your weaknesses before the bluff is called.

No Dell, I have been a cheerleader for not classifying all Muslims, millions and millions of people, as religious terrorists who hate our country and want to kill us.

GBBob 05-26-2010 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651495)
my grandpa was in a camp HERE, and accepted it cause he was HERE!

He also described it as a great time as he was getting 3 squares and building barraks to help us defeat the country he came from.

I don't think Muslims in a camp here will be describing it as a great time

dellinger63 05-26-2010 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651502)
No Dell, I have been a cheerleader for not classifying all Muslims, millions and millions of people, as religious terrorists who hate our country and want to kill us.


Done we will never agree on anything and that's America.

GBBob 05-26-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651506)
Done we will never agree on anything and that's America.

:tro::wf

Riot 05-26-2010 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651506)
Done we will never agree on anything and that's America.

We agree that horseracing is an awesome sport.

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651443)
If you have already decided that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and UAE and Chad and Morocco and Malaysia and Indonesia are all exactly the same socially and religiously, and that all Muslims are the same - hey, good luck with that.

I'd LOL too, but it's rather sad.

Listen genius, you said that Pakistan wasnt representative of the Muslim world. However it's the 6th most populated country in the world with being 95% of that population being muslim. It has been a ISLAMIC REPUBLIC for over 50 years!!! If that isn't a good representation of the Muslim world what is? No one said Muslims are all the same but this freakin country has been a declared muslim state since Eisenhower was President. No one said it was a place where every muslim sect or ethnic variance was equally represented. But a sample size of 160 million muslims in a particular country is certainly large enough to be relevant enough to be considered as a viewpoint of muslims in general.

dellinger63 05-26-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 651504)
I don't think Muslims in a camp here will be describing it as a great time

guess coming out Italy in the depression, living in the Oegon/Washington mountains, building military housing etc was great. Of course WE WON! and now we deal w/RIOT?

Riot 05-26-2010 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651511)
Listen genius, you said that Pakistan wasnt representative of the Muslim world.

I sure did. In the context of "all Muslims are alike". You say it proves they are. I say nonsense. Proves how diverse Islam is.

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No one said Muslims are all the same
:zz: Hello? Earth to Chuck? That's the only thing I am discussing in this thread. That is the only reason I joined in the thread, and the only position I am defending.

Geeshus cripes ...

dellinger63 05-26-2010 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651508)
We agree that horseracing is an awesome sport.


OK :tro:

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651515)
I sure did. In the context of "all Muslims are alike". You say it proves they are. I say nonsense. Proves how diverse Islam is.



:zz: Hello? Earth to Chuck? That's the only thing I am discussing in this thread. That is the only reason I joined in the thread, and the only position I am defending.

Geeshus cripes ...

Context my ass. You wanted to say that Pakistan wasnt a good representative of the muslim world to discredit the post made that contradicted what you said. Of all the countries in the world, Pakistan is the MOST representative of the Muslim world since it has been primarily a muslim world for generations.

And this idea that everybody who disagrees with you in this thread is saying that "All Muslims are alike or terrorists" is a ridiculous notion. No one is saying that (though I am not entirely sure what Scuds is saying)

Riot 05-26-2010 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651520)
Context my ass.

Context matters.

See, we disagree. How unsurprising.

Coach Pants 05-26-2010 11:16 PM

I wish Steve would put an E-Burka on Riot and shut her the f.uck up.

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651521)
Context matters.

See, we disagree. How unsurprising.

Sure it matters. And your lame attempt to backpeddle on your misguided statement by using some mystery context is not being taken out of context.

Riot 05-26-2010 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 651523)
I wish Steve would put an E-Burka on Riot and shut her the f.uck up.

Naw. A bunch of us laugh at you behind your back via PM's :tro:

Riot 05-26-2010 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651525)
Sure it matters. And your lame attempt to backpeddle on your misguided statement by using some mystery context is not being taken out of context.

Baloney. You jump into the thread, obviously clueless about what has been discussed, and go off on some wild-azzed tangent - don't blame me you look silly.

Coach Pants 05-26-2010 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651528)
Naw. A bunch of us laugh at you behind your back via PM's :tro:

I would expect nothing less from some of the cowards on this forum. You included.

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651529)
Baloney. You jump into the thread, obviously clueless about what has been discussed, and go off on some wild-azzed tangent - don't blame me you look silly.

I read what has been discussed and had a perfect idea of where you were going with your typical BS. If discrediting your statements is considered silly then I must be hilarious.

Coach Pants 05-26-2010 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651535)
I read what has been discussed and had a perfect idea of where you were going with your typical BS. If discrediting your statements is considered silly then I must be hilarious.

Chuck you better stop before the PMs start flying.

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 651536)
Chuck you better stop before the PMs start flying.

Racist

Coach Pants 05-26-2010 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651542)
Racist

I'm not a racist I'm an equal-opportunity hater.

Rupert Pupkin 05-26-2010 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651370)

Who cares whether tens of millions of Muslims love Bin Laden. That doesn't mean anything. That's not important.

But one US soldier making some bad jokes is very important. That is the world according to Riot.

Coach Pants 05-26-2010 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 651547)
Who cares whether tens of millions of Muslims love Bin Laden. That doesn't mean anything. That's not important.

But one US soldier making some bad jokes is very important. That is the world according to Riot.

You're now on the PM list of the p.ussyfart liberal club of DT.

Riot 05-26-2010 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 651547)
Who cares whether tens of millions of Muslims love Bin Laden. That doesn't mean anything. That's not important.

But one US soldier making some bad jokes is very important. That is the world according to Riot.

Well, no.

That pesky concept of "context" again.

Rupert Pupkin 05-26-2010 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 651196)
Hmm...well I didn't say I didn't think it, I just said I didn't say it in that post. ;)
As for the Obama administration, in Iraq they are gradually implementing a phased withdrawal. I give them some credit for that, although I am not sure their efforts there really differ greatly from how the Bush administration would be handling Iraq now were it still in power. However, I wouldn't say that gradually implementing a slow end to a completely unnecessary war is "just as bad" as starting a completely unnecessary war in the first place.
As far as Afghanistan, I think the Obama administration's decisions to ramp up U.S. efforts there are absolutely horrible. I have criticized the administration's actions there on numerous occasions, and hope that other liberals do the same. If we only criticize the Bush administration when they do crap like this and give the Obama administration a free ride, we are just as hypocritical as all the conservatives who suddenly started caring about the debt and deficit in January '09 after ignoring it for eight years.

Fair enough. I respect that you are consistent about being against the war no matter who the President is.

Riot 05-26-2010 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651535)
I read what has been discussed and had a perfect idea of where you were going with your typical BS.

Sure you did. Nailed it :tro:

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 651545)
I'm not a racist I'm an equal-opportunity hater.

So you hate despite cultural and tribal differences?

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 651547)
Who cares whether tens of millions of Muslims love Bin Laden. That doesn't mean anything. That's not important.

But one US soldier making some bad jokes is very important. That is the world according to Riot.

Hey Buddy stick to that racist plan to seal the border!

Coach Pants 05-26-2010 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651553)
So you hate despite cultural and tribal differences?

Yes. I'd hate Riot even if she was the daughter of Jesus.

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651552)
Sure you did. Nailed it :tro:

On behalf of the people of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan whose honor as true Muslims you have insulted, I thank you!

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 651555)
Yes. I'd hate Riot even if she was the daughter of Jesus.

So you are a Religist lumping all those daughters of jesus together as radical, KKK leaning terrorists?

Rupert Pupkin 05-26-2010 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 651232)
This is the key. I'm not sure it's practical or responsible to come into office, drag every last troop out of two war zones, and say you did it just because you don't agree with the wars.

So the best thing to do is what's happening in Iraq, which is admittedly happening slower than I'd like. Not a fan of increasing presence in another war zone....not at all. But to say that somehow having to deal with the $hit sandwich someone dropped in your lap in a responsible way is equally as bad as creating it in the first place is a little bit of a dishonest way to approach it.

I agree with you. I don't have a problem with the way Obama has handled things in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Obama obviously inherited the situation. My only point was that if Miraja2 thought the wars were evil and had bad motivations that Miraja2 should be critical of Obama for even continuing the wars. It turns out that Miraja2 is critical of Obama's continuing of the wars. I don't have a problem with that. At least Miraja2 is consistent.

Coach Pants 05-26-2010 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651559)
So you are a Religist lumping all those daughters of jesus together as radical, KKK leaning terrorists?

No Riot is the rebellious daughter of Jesus that lost her anal cherry to Muhammad Obama. Far less dangerous than a KKK enthusiast.

Coach Pants 05-26-2010 11:55 PM

I declare Jihad on this thread.






Don't kill me, Riot! Just PM about me! lol biatch

Edit: I already received a death threat. Pic removed.

Double Edit: Pic of Jesus added.

Riot 05-27-2010 01:34 AM

NYC community board OKs ground zero mosque plans
Associated Press
Wed., May 26, 2010

NEW YORK - After hours of contentious public comment, a New York City community board voted late Tuesday to support a plan to build a mosque and cultural center near ground zero.

"It's a seed of peace," board member Rob Townley said. "We believe that this is a significant step in the Muslim community to counteract the hate and fanaticism in the minority of the community."

The vote was 29-to-1 in favor of the plan, with 10 abstentions. The move by the Manhattan Community Board 1, while not necessary for the building's owners to move forward with the project, is seen as key to obtaining residents' support.

Some board members wanted to postpone a vote until the next meeting to gather more information about the project and the organizations sponsoring it. But the motion failed.

The meeting was unruly, with project opponents jeering at speakers and yelling comments such as "You're building over a Christian cemetery!" while holding signs that read, "Show respect for 3000," referring to those who died in the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Many said they were not opposed to a mosque — just not one that's two blocks from ground zero.

The families of Sept. 11 victims "would be wounded by erecting a mega mosque so close to the place where their loved ones were massacred," said Viviana Hernandez, a chaplain. "Even though they may have altruistic reasons, the real terrorists will see it as a win on their side."

Conservative tea party activist Mark Williams has called the proposed center a monument to the terror attacks.

The organizations sponsoring the project said they are trying to establish a vibrant and inclusive-world class facility.

Plans for the Cordoba House include a performing arts center, swimming pool, culinary school, child care facilities and worship space.

It would provide 150 full-time jobs, 500 part-time jobs and an investment of more than $100 million in infrastructure in the city's financial district, according to Daisy Khan, spokeswoman for the Cordoba House.

Khan's husband, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, executive director of the Cordoba Initiative, one of the project's sponsors, said he understood the pain that people have about 9/11. But he said his community and congregation were among those that died in the attacks.

"We have condemned the terror of 9/11," he said. "We have worked to ensure that our mosques are not recruiting grounds for terrorists."

Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer said in a statement that by supporting the multi-faith community and cultural center, the board "sent a clear message that our city is one that promotes diversity and tolerance."

Stringer has been the target of disparaging remarks by Williams for supporting the plans and has defended his position and denounced offensive speech directed at him or at Muslims.

He said before the vote that he understood the sensitivities of the families of 9/11 victims.

"I don't think anybody wants to do anything to disrespect those families. They made the ultimate sacrifice," he said. "At the same time, we have to balance diversity and look for opportunities to bring different groups together."

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said there were no security concerns about building a mosque in the area.

The American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative have said that they bought the building in 2009 and planned to break ground later this year. It could take up to three years to build the Cordoba House. A Friday prayer service has been held at the building since September 2009.

Besides the political and social opposition to the project, city officials say the plan also could be hindered by a decades-old proposal to give landmark status to a building that would be replaced by the mosque and center.

City officials say the current building, constructed between 1857 and 1858 in the Italian Renaissance palazzo style, is historically and architecturally significant.

Bruce Wallace, who lost a nephew on 9/11, said the center can change the misperceptions about Islam.

"The moderate Muslim voice has been squashed in America," he said. "Here is a chance to allow moderate Muslims to teach people that not all Muslims are terrorists."

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letswastemoney 05-27-2010 02:26 AM

It seems too soon to build a mosque that close to Ground Zero. From the 9/11 families' perspectives, that must be painful to look at.


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