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Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 635374)
This is a completely false statement

Ummm - no it's not. Not every illegal works his/her butt off at racetracks.

GenuineRisk 04-12-2010 05:12 PM




Now, what to cut? Personally, I'm all for cutting Medicare. These old blue-hairs can just pay for private insurance like the rest of us do and then I don't have to pay Medicare out of my paycheck just so they can get treated for their lifetime of smoking and not exercising and eating cheap fried crap at the Early Bird Special. It's not my problem; I'm not old. It's not my fault they didn't bother to save money for their inevitable health care costs at the end of their life- they should have been more fiscally responsible. I don't see the Medicare recipients here showing any concern for my health care; why should I have to pay for theirs?

I'm sure a private company will be delighted to give them comprehensive insurance at a reasonable rate. And if they won't? Well, not my problem. They can just go ask for help from their local church. I'm sure private charity can take care of them.

That's it; that's the solution to a large part of the budget. End Medicare. See? Easy.

Coach Pants 04-12-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 635519)



Now, what to cut? Personally, I'm all for cutting Medicare. These old blue-hairs can just pay for private insurance like the rest of us do and then I don't have to pay Medicare out of my paycheck just so they can get treated for their lifetime of smoking and not exercising and eating cheap fried crap at the Early Bird Special. It's not my problem; I'm not old. It's not my fault they didn't bother to save money for their inevitable health care costs at the end of their life- they should have been more fiscally responsible. I don't see the Medicare recipients here showing any concern for my health care; why should I have to pay for theirs?

I'm sure a private company will be delighted to give them comprehensive insurance at a reasonable rate. And if they won't? Well, not my problem. They can just go ask for help from their local church. I'm sure private charity can take care of them.

That's it; that's the solution to a large part of the budget. End Medicare. See? Easy.

Stop borrowing money and cut the defense budget in half.

Then send you off in a straight-jacket.

Danzig 04-12-2010 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 635509)
Are you expecting more from O'Dumbass. Sorry but you will get disappointed. His agenda is I instead of we. He could care less about what the American public feels about an issue. Im still waiting for him to do something for the economy and not raise taxes so his healthcare bill will be paid for.

i don't expect any more, or any less, from him than any other politician up there. i think for most in office, it's I rather than we.

Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 635519)



Now, what to cut? Personally, I'm all for cutting Medicare. These old blue-hairs can just pay for private insurance like the rest of us do and then I don't have to pay Medicare out of my paycheck just so they can get treated for their lifetime of smoking and not exercising and eating cheap fried crap at the Early Bird Special. It's not my problem; I'm not old. It's not my fault they didn't bother to save money for their inevitable health care costs at the end of their life- they should have been more fiscally responsible. I don't see the Medicare recipients here showing any concern for my health care; why should I have to pay for theirs?

I'm sure a private company will be delighted to give them comprehensive insurance at a reasonable rate. And if they won't? Well, not my problem. They can just go ask for help from their local church. I'm sure private charity can take care of them.

That's it; that's the solution to a large part of the budget. End Medicare. See? Easy.

What make you think that those of us on Medicare don't pay for it? A retired couple on Medicare with a supplement plan pays anywhere from $600 - $800 a month.

And, I don't have blue hair. I may be old, but if you have the good fortune to get to be my age, you'll wonder how the hell you got to be "old" so swiftly and wonder why the younger generation is so rude and dismissive of those who came before them. So save the slams at the elderly. It only makes you look more the fool than you already are. Age discrimmination is as bad as racial discrimmination.

But, yes, by all means - stop Medicare cold. Pay out benefits to those who are already retired and about to be retired in the next 5 years, and give back the money paid into the plan by all others. Let them decide how best they want to plan for their medical requirements in retirement.

Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 635520)
Stop borrowing money and cut the defense budget in half.

Cut the defense budget? What are we going to do - use spit balls in the next confrontation?!~ It's the one expense that the Constitution gives the federal goverment.

How about doing away with entitlement program that no one has ever paid into and cleaning up fraud and waste in the current government health care system. Do away with tort law and giveouts to illegal alliens.

Coach Pants 04-12-2010 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635544)
Cut the defense budget? What are we going to do - use spit balls in the next confrontation?!~ It's the one expense that the Constitution gives the federal goverment.

How about doing away with entitlement program that no one has ever paid into and cleaning up fraud and waste in the current government health care system. Do away with tort law and giveouts to illegal alliens.

Do you know how many nukes we have?

Hell...the military is going to the private sector now. There is no need to keep fighting wars for oil... let the oil companies pay for the troops.

Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 635547)
Do you know how many nukes we have?

Fight with nukes? I don't think anyone wins using nukes. And, if we've been fighting for oil since 1991, how come we haven't gotten any so far?!~

Coach Pants 04-12-2010 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635550)
Fight with nukes? I don't think anyone wins using nukes. And, if we've been fighting for oil since 1991, how come we haven't gotten any so far?!~

Exactly. So who is getting the oil. THUS. MY. POINT.

Nascar1966 04-12-2010 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 635519)



Now, what to cut? Personally, I'm all for cutting Medicare. These old blue-hairs can just pay for private insurance like the rest of us do and then I don't have to pay Medicare out of my paycheck just so they can get treated for their lifetime of smoking and not exercising and eating cheap fried crap at the Early Bird Special. It's not my problem; I'm not old. It's not my fault they didn't bother to save money for their inevitable health care costs at the end of their life- they should have been more fiscally responsible. I don't see the Medicare recipients here showing any concern for my health care; why should I have to pay for theirs?

I'm sure a private company will be delighted to give them comprehensive insurance at a reasonable rate. And if they won't? Well, not my problem. They can just go ask for help from their local church. I'm sure private charity can take care of them.

That's it; that's the solution to a large part of the budget. End Medicare. See? Easy.

I agree %1000 with you.

Nascar1966 04-12-2010 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 635365)
While I am not a big Nascar fan, I live in KY, do support the NRA would be considered conservative and I dont consider myself to be racist.

And I dislike Obama's agenda because we dont really know these people well enough to dislike or hate them personally. I mean the guy does like basketball and baseball which puts him a few spots ahead of Marx and Mao. (a joke for the PC)

But what really amuses me is people like Riot who start fights over relatively meaningless subjects like Glenn beck and Sarah Palin (neither of which currently hold a position of authority and are basically paid entertainers) and believe themselves to be somehow neutral!

I always expect BWS to offer his opinions on subjects based upon his version of the world which is much different than many others here. I dont always agree with his take but respect his opinion. Nascar has a completely different view of the world based upon his experiences yet no one seems to respect most of what he has to say. While I admit that his pettiness and namecalling can surely not help the cause, he does bring a different view.

Now with that out there a random poster that didnt agree with brian would be 1000 times more likely to be called homophobic than a label being attached to someone who disagreed with Nascar.

Love your comment.

philcski 04-12-2010 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 635502)
And all your claims are substantiated? If the truth hurts you tough ****.

YES, in fact they are. I've posted (fully unbiased) links that support my claims, and others that refute YOUR incorrect claims, but you didn't have the decency to even read them!

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 635376)
ll of his claims are factually incorrect and once cornered on his lack of research/knowledge turns on the angry, "you don't respect me or the military" personality. All I ask is if you're going to debate me on something, get your facts straight.

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 635505)
If a person disagrees with your view everytime you think it is unsubstantiated. I should know what I got for raises while in the military. You probably never served a day in the military. Which is okay with me. I dont care for people who bring dishonor to the military. You need to get over the fact that I wont suck up to O'Dumbass like you do. BTW I dont have to please you. I guess everyone has thier facts wrong in your book.

Thanks for doing exactly what I said you do not 6 hours after I posted it. Fine work, sir, for making me look like a genius.

To answer your latest attack, I took the entrance exam for the military because it was something I considered doing, and got a perfect score. I decided college was a better option for me. However, that doesn't make me less of a citizen than you, despite what you spew. Whether or not you served in the military has absolutely no bearing on "sucking up to the President". Having an unabashed hate for our elected leader to the point of where I'd fear you'd assassinate him if he ever came to your town is truly dishonorable to our great nation. You not once have given a factual reason WHY you dislike him so much that hasn't been proven incorrect. That leads me to my assumption from before that the two reasons you don't are he's (a) a Democrat and (b) black. Correct me if I'm wrong with ACCURATE WELL STATED FACTS!!

philcski 04-12-2010 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 635557)
Exactly. So who is getting the oil. THUS. MY. POINT.

I laughed, because reading comprehension is lacking in this thread, apparently.

philcski 04-12-2010 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635508)
There are several people on this board who know me personally. I guarantee you that not one of them could ever say by any stretch of the imagination that I am a racist or have any racist viewpoints.

I can 100% confirm that Doreen is, in fact, a KKK card carrying member and a Nazi spy.











JUST KIDDING! Of course she isn't racist in any way.

Danzig 04-12-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635544)
Cut the defense budget? What are we going to do - use spit balls in the next confrontation?!~ It's the one expense that the Constitution gives the federal goverment.

How about doing away with entitlement program that no one has ever paid into and cleaning up fraud and waste in the current government health care system. Do away with tort law and giveouts to illegal alliens.

actually, we could cut defense spending in half and still spend far, far more on our military than any other nation. i doubt we'd be reduced to spit balls.

hell, my personal arsenal is probably more powerful than a lot of 'armies'.

Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 635557)
Exactly. So who is getting the oil. THUS. MY. POINT.

And, if the reason we went to war was for oil, we'd have some. That's my point.

Danzig 04-12-2010 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 635563)
YES, in fact they are. I've posted (fully unbiased) links that support my claims, and others that refute YOUR incorrect claims, but you didn't have the decency to even read them!





Thanks for doing exactly what I said you do not 6 hours after I posted it. Fine work, sir, for making me look like a genius.

To answer your latest attack, I took the entrance exam for the military because it was something I considered doing, and got a perfect score. I decided college was a better option for me. However, that doesn't make me less of a citizen than you, despite what you spew. Whether or not you served in the military has absolutely no bearing on "sucking up to the President". Having an unabashed hate for our elected leader to the point of where I'd fear you'd assassinate him if he ever came to your town is truly dishonorable to our great nation. You not once have given a factual reason WHY you dislike him so much that hasn't been proven incorrect. That leads me to my assumption from before that the two reasons you don't are he's (a) a Democrat and (b) black. Correct me if I'm wrong with ACCURATE WELL STATED FACTS!!


exactly.

Coach Pants 04-12-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635569)
And, if the reason we went to war was for oil, we'd have some. That's my point.

It's the reason. Who do you think has Washington's ear? The oil lobby or average citizens?

Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 635566)
I can 100% confirm that Doreen is, in fact, a KKK card carrying member and a Nazi spy.











JUST KIDDING! Of course she isn't racist in any way.

You scared me there for a moment, philski. Was fantasizing about tying you to your chair, trashing your laptop computer, burning your handicapping notes, and forcing candy cane down your throat the next time I got to see you.

BTW - Bill is a member of the NRA and a really big NASCAR fan. Do you really want to call him a racist - to his face?!~~ Nah! I didn't think so.;)

Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 635568)
actually, we could cut defense spending in half and still spend far, far more on our military than any other nation. i doubt we'd be reduced to spit balls.

hell, my personal arsenal is probably more powerful than a lot of 'armies'.

Perhaps you're too young to remember Reagan's build up of the military. Russia blinked. I'm an unapologetic Reagan conservative. Big military, small government, and a Flat Tax (edit: I mean Fair Tax. not Flat Tax) program.

There is corruption, graft, waste, and fraud in defense spending, but even if that was cleaned up, there would be no way that defense spending could be cut in half.

And, if your personal arsenal is that strong, Uncle Sam needs you.:)

philcski 04-12-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635581)
You scared me there for a moment, philski. Was fantasizing about tying you to your chair, trashing your laptop computer, burning your handicapping notes, and forcing candy cane down your throat the next time I got to see you.

BTW - Bill is a member of the NRA and a really big NASCAR fan. Do you really want to call him a racist - to his face?!~~ Nah! I didn't think so.;)

He also doesn't spew hate and bitterness the way Nascar1966 does, which was the first premise.

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635517)
Ummm - no it's not. Not every illegal works his/her butt off at racetracks.

It is completely false. We spend half as much on illegals as on keeping Israel as an ally, for example.

Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 635574)
It's the reason. Who do you think has Washington's ear? The oil lobby or average citizens?

In the current administation? Most likely Chavez!

You've been listening to that gadfly, Bill O'Reilly, too much. What a windbag he is.

philcski 04-12-2010 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635590)
Perhaps you're too young to remember Reagan's build up of the military. Russia blinked. I'm an unapologetic Reagan conservative. Big military, small government, and a Flat Tax program. Yes, philski, I know it was voted down 5 years ago, but the plan has been improved greatly since then.

There is corruption, graft, waste, and fraud in defense spending, but even if that was cleaned up, there would be no way that defense spending could be cut in half.

And, if your personal arsenal is that strong, Uncle Sam needs you.:)

But who are we trying to make blink? Counterterrorism efforts do not require big military, I think the fact that 9 years after 9/11 and over 8 years into our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan have proven that. We are no safer than we were on Sept 10th, 2001.

Danzig 04-12-2010 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635590)
Perhaps you're too young to remember Reagan's build up of the military. Russia blinked. I'm an unapologetic Reagan conservative. Big military, small government, and a Flat Tax program. Yes, philski, I know it was voted down 5 years ago, but the plan has been improved greatly since then.

There is corruption, graft, waste, and fraud in defense spending, but even if that was cleaned up, there would be no way that defense spending could be cut in half.

And, if your personal arsenal is that strong, Uncle Sam needs you.:)

lol
i served in then navy when reagan was commander in chief. as for military spending, you need to look up how many billions more we spend than the next closest guy. considering our allies, such as where we stand with nato, etc, there's no need to spend quite as much as what we do. i'm a military fan, my husband, oldest son, and myself are vets. my youngest son leaves for bootcamp in january. however, we spend astronomical amounts compared to our enemies-and we could certainly scale back. am i saying not have the largest, or most advanced? not at all. we could still have that, maybe just not ten times over.

Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 635594)
He also doesn't spew hate and bitterness the way Nascar1966 does, which was the first premise.



It is completely false. We spend half as much on illegals as on keeping Israel as an ally, for example.

Bill doesn't spew hate and bitterness in any way. Let's get that straight right now.

Where did I say we spend as much on illegals as we do for Israel. I said that I'd rather see money spent or sent to Israel than supporting illegal alliens.

I don't know what the numbers are as to the cost of supporting illegal alliens - taking into consideration the money they make, if they are working, that doesn't get spent in this country.

Danzig 04-12-2010 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 635596)
But who are we trying to make blink? Counterterrorism efforts do not require big military, I think the fact that 9 years after 9/11 and over 8 years into our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan have proven that. We are no safer than we were on Sept 10th, 2001.

exactly. things have changed-everyone knows they can't stand toe to toe with us in a conventional war....but here we are, eight-nine years after we went to afganistan, and there we still are. reminds me of when england spent centuries trying to take over wales. a huge military power, but couldn't cow their much smaller neighbor who resorted to guerrilla tactics. it took eight castles and edward the first to finally do the deed...but i digress. lessons to be learned from that, as well as from the ussr making the attempt back in the day..

Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 635599)
exactly. things have changed-everyone knows they can't stand toe to toe with us in a conventional war....but here we are, eight-nine years after we went to afganistan, and there we still are. reminds me of when england spent centuries trying to take over wales. a huge military power, but couldn't cow their much smaller neighbor who resorted to guerrilla tactics. it took eight castles and edward the first to finally do the deed...but i digress. lessons to be learned from that, as well as from the ussr making the attempt back in the day..

And the mighty Russia had to abandon Afganistan in defeat. The French has to leave Indo-China in defeat. America had to leave Viet Nam in defeat. But, we didn't have to leave Iraq in defeat. We did manage to get that genocide maniac hanged by the rafters and took out his maniac sons and virtually all of his henchmen. Good show, USA!

Afganistan is Obama's war. Take it up with him if you think he'll listen. That was one of the issue on his platform. Now he's stuck with it.

Get the heck out of that rock heap. Keep drones flying over and take out poppy fields when they're found. The country is a lost cause. Fred and Wilma Flintstone would turn their nose up at living there.

Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 635597)
lol
i served in then navy when reagan was commander in chief. as for military spending, you need to look up how many billions more we spend than the next closest guy. considering our allies, such as where we stand with nato, etc, there's no need to spend quite as much as what we do. i'm a military fan, my husband, oldest son, and myself are vets. my youngest son leaves for bootcamp in january. however, we spend astronomical amounts compared to our enemies-and we could certainly scale back. am i saying not have the largest, or most advanced? not at all. we could still have that, maybe just not ten times over.

Perhaps if the USA resorted to terrorism, we wouldn't have to spend somuch money.

Kidding aside, every two bit nation in the world is looking to unseat the top dog - us. That's why we have to have the biggest and the mightiest. I do, however, think you missed what I said about cleaning up waste, graft, corruption, and overspending. But, even if we did that - we couldn't cut the budget in half - not with the escalation of prices and the cost of new technology needed to keep up and current.

My father (Navy) died at Pearl Habor. My husband's father (Marine) died at Iwo Jima. My brother (Army) died in Nam. My husband served two tours of duty as a US Marine in Nam as a tank commander and was seriously wounded. Not bragging - just letting you know where my family and loved ones came from and went to.

Thank you, your husband, and your sons for your military service. There is nothing more honorable than serving one's country.

philcski 04-12-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635602)
And the mighty Russia had to abandon Afganistan in defeat. The French has to leave Indo-China in defeat. America had to leave Viet Nam in defeat. But, we didn't have to leave Iraq in defeat. We did manage to get that genocide maniac hanged by the rafters and took out his maniac sons and virtually all of his henchmen. Good show, USA!

Afganistan is Obama's war. Take it up with him if you think he'll listen. That was one of the issue on his platform. Now he's stuck with it.

Get the heck out of that rock heap. Keep drones flying over and take out poppy fields when they're found. The country is a lost cause. Fred and Wilma Flintstone would turn their nose up at living there.

It's definitely Bush's war, as he had planned on invading prior to 9/11. Obama campaigned to move troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan, which I thought was simply a ploy to gain votes from war apologists. I agree the right move would be to get the heck out of there because it's like Vietnam, we can't win.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4587368/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul.../na-campaign16


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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635598)
Bill doesn't spew hate and bitterness in any way. Let's get that straight right now.

Where did I saw we spend as much on illegals as we do for Israel. I said that I'd rather see money spent or sent to Israel than supporting illegal alliens.

I don't know what the numbers are as to the cost of supporting illegal alliens - taking into consideration the money they make, if they are working, that doesn't get spent in this country.

The cost to the federal government was estimated at $10.4 billion according to the Center for Immigration Studies' (a group that advocates tougher immigration rules) report in 2004. Even if we grow that number by (an absurd) 50% for the 5 fiscal years since, that's $16 billion. We spent $28 billion on Israel last year.

I'd rather all the money like this be spent right here in the USA.

Princess Doreen 04-12-2010 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 635606)
It's definitely Bush's war, as he had planned on invading prior to 9/11. Obama campaigned to move troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan, which I thought was simply a ploy to gain votes from war apologists. I agree the right move would be to get the heck out of there because it's like Vietnam, we can't win.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4587368/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul.../na-campaign16

The cost to the federal government was estimated at $10.4 billion according to the Center for Immigration Studies' (a group that advocates tougher immigration rules) report in 2004. Even if we grow that number by (an absurd) 50% for the 5 fiscal years since, that's $16 billion. We spent $28 billion on Israel last year.

I'd rather all the money like this be spent right here in the USA.

Well, obviously BO was dead on serious about Afganistan. Wonder why Cindy Sheehan isn't beating her gums about it. She's off preaching to 100 people audiences about the bad Catholics who won't let her talk in their churches. Despicable woman.

But, I digress.

That's a plan, philcski - keep all our money at home. The USA becomes isolationist. Pull all the troops from every country in the world. Do away with aid to any country. Screw 'em. If they have a tsunami, an earthquake, a volcano eruption, flood, famine, whatever, let them work out their problems - 99 chances out of 100 they don't appreciate us for anything we do. We're the rich old, ugly, aunt who can afford it, and we don't give enough away or do enough anyway.

Build up the military. Close the borders. Point a nuclear missile at any country that so much as looks at us crosseyed.

That's what we'd have to do if we start pulling money away and stopped supporting and defending the few allies we have left.

Nascar1966 04-12-2010 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635605)
Perhaps if the USA resorted to terrorism, we wouldn't have to spend somuch money.

Kidding aside, every two bit nation in the world is looking to unseat the top dog - us. That's why we have to have the biggest and the mightiest. I do, however, think you missed what I said about cleaning up waste, graft, corruption, and overspending. But, even if we did that - we couldn't cut the budget in half - not with the escalation of prices and the cost of new technology needed to keep up and current.

My father (Navy) died at Pearl Habor. My husband's father (Marine) died at Iwo Jima. My brother (Army) died in Nam. My husband served two tours of duty as a US Marine in Nam as a tank commander and was seriously wounded. Not bragging - just letting you know where my family and loved ones came from and went to.

Thank you, your husband, and your sons for your military service. There is nothing more honorable than serving one's country.

I commend your family for the years they have given in protecting this great country of ours.

philcski 04-12-2010 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635610)
Well, obviously BO was dead on serious about Afganistan. Wonder why Cindy Sheehan isn't beating her gums about it. She's off preaching to 100 people audiences about the bad Catholics who won't let her talk in their churches. Despicable woman.

But, I digress.

That's a plan, philcski - keep all our money at home. The USA becomes isolationist. Pull all the troops from every country in the world. Do away with aid to any country. Screw 'em. If they have a tsunami, an earthquake, a volcano eruption, flood, famine, whatever, let them work out their problems - 99 chances out of 100 they don't appreciate us for anything we do. We're the rich old, ugly, aunt who can afford it, and we don't give enough away or do enough anyway.

Build up the military. Close the borders. Point a nuclear missile at any country that so much as looks at us crosseyed.

That's what we'd have to do if we start pulling money away and stopped supporting and defending the few allies we have left.

That's an extreme, and rather silly view of what I'm suggesting.

We spent much of the 1800's in a moderate isolationist period (re: the Monroe Doctrine.) The USA established itself as the premier country in the world during this period and maintained that without a lot of work or money; it allowed the country to grow organically from basically the 13 original states to almost where it is now stretching from coast to coast (before the advent of easy travel!)

Let's be realistic here. No country we couldn't squash like a bug has looked at us crosseyed since Japan/Germany in 1941. The wars we have fought since then in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan have been on foreign soil to protect political interests, not in any way self defense (even though the last two have been masked as anti-terrorist, they haven't exactly succeeded at that), against opponents that if we did want to pull the nuclear trigger they would be eradicated like fruit flies. Our military/defense budget at over $1.1 trillion, or almost $4,000 per person, has spiraled out of control. You could send EVERY college student to school for free for HALF that amount. We spend 7.5X the amount of the next country in gross dollars, and as a percent of GDP there's only one developed nation that spends more (Greece at 4.5% versus the USA's 4.06%- I have no good explanation for Greece's military budget other than their GDP is minuscule.)

Providing help to our neighbors such as Haiti or Chile in times of need is obviously goodwill we can continue- but you overestimate the actual cost of this. The federal government spent $170 million on relief efforts in Haiti, a far cry from what private sources such as the Red Cross contributed. I'd love to think they appreciate our help... sometimes I'm not so sure, but I'll err on the side of humanism and say they do.

Our borders are now, for all intensive purposes, closed. A passport is required to get to Canada. CANADA, our best friends and one of the few countries that matches America's quality! I grew up on the border. We could enter and exit with a simple "what's up, eh?" and an "yo man, I'm back". That freedom will never return, ever.

Nascar1966 04-12-2010 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 635563)
YES, in fact they are. I've posted (fully unbiased) links that support my claims, and others that refute YOUR incorrect claims, but you didn't have the decency to even read them!





Thanks for doing exactly what I said you do not 6 hours after I posted it. Fine work, sir, for making me look like a genius.

To answer your latest attack, I took the entrance exam for the military because it was something I considered doing, and got a perfect score. I decided college was a better option for me. However, that doesn't make me less of a citizen than you, despite what you spew. Whether or not you served in the military has absolutely no bearing on "sucking up to the President". Having an unabashed hate for our elected leader to the point of where I'd fear you'd assassinate him if he ever came to your town is truly dishonorable to our great nation. You not once have given a factual reason WHY you dislike him so much that hasn't been proven incorrect. That leads me to my assumption from before that the two reasons you don't are he's (a) a Democrat and (b) black. Correct me if I'm wrong with ACCURATE WELL STATED FACTS!!

Im not crazy enough to kill a person like you make me out to be. Where is your evidence to support that statement you made? Has the thought come to your feeble mind that im not the only who dislikes our fearless leader? O'Dumbass is too big of a chicked **** to come to Texas. I would hope by now he has figured out by now that Texas is pretty much a Republican state. No I dont think less of you because you went to college. The military isn't for everybody. Your lies about me make think your pathetic and senile. At least im not a racist like you are.

philcski 04-12-2010 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 635618)
Im not crazy enough to kill a person like you make me out to be. Where is your evidence to support that statement you made? Has the thought come to your feeble mind that im not the only who dislikes our fearless leader? O'Dumbass is too big of a chicked **** to come to Texas. I would hope by now he has figured out by now that Texas is pretty much a Republican state. No I dont think less of you because you went to college. The military isn't for everybody. Your lies about me make think your pathetic and senile. At least im not a racist like you are.

OK, I'm sorry for saying you're crazy enough to kill someone. That's unfair of me. However, the hate you spew for him scares me, quite honestly. You still haven't told me WHY you hate him so much, though, for any reason that hasn't been proven to be false.

Just to be clear, because I don't think you know this, I didn't vote for him either. But I've accepted him as our President and hope he can do the best job possible. The conservative right just will not give him a chance and that really, really bothers me. I didn't like Bush II, either, and despite his shortfalls I accepted him as our President, too, because the people said they wanted him the same way the people said they wanted Obama. I hoped that others would do the same but clearly the bitterness of losing will never go away for many.

By the way, he was in Texas 6 months ago, with HW Bush. He's not a chickensh1t that you make him out to be. http://ochairball.blogspot.com/2009/...-of-light.html


Just for sh1ts and giggles, have you EVER voted for anyone other than a Republican? Would you ever consider voting for anyone but a Republican?

Nascar1966 04-12-2010 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 635620)
OK, I'm sorry for saying you're crazy enough to kill someone. That's unfair of me. However, the hate you spew for him scares me, quite honestly. You still haven't told me WHY you hate him so much, though, for any reason that hasn't been proven to be false.

Just to be clear, because I don't think you know this, I didn't vote for him either. But I've accepted him as our President and hope he can do the best job possible. The conservative right just will not give him a chance and that really, really bothers me. I didn't like Bush II, either, and despite his shortfalls I accepted him as our President, too, because the people said they wanted him the same way the people said they wanted Obama. I hoped that others would do the same but clearly the bitterness of losing will never go away for many.

By the way, he was in Texas 6 months ago, with HW Bush. He's not a chickensh1t that you make him out to be. http://ochairball.blogspot.com/2009/...-of-light.html


Just for sh1ts and giggles, have you EVER voted for anyone other than a Republican? Would you ever consider voting for anyone but a Republican?

I have voted for a Democrat numerous times. He has been in office since Jan 2009 and our economy is still in shambles. One year and three months in office should be enough time to try to make some fixes to our struggling economy. I am fully aware that he inherited a mess from Bush. I wanted him to succeed, but he hasn't shown me anything that makes me think he wants to be a successful President. Which do you think should be of a higher priority: Health care reform or fixing the economy. He has gone against the majority of Americans who didn't want the health care bill passed. Instead of thinking about his fellow Americans he thinks about himself. He has put his own political party under the table with this health care reform bill and could care less about it. What has he done about securing our borders from these thug drug cartels? Governor Perry has taken the initiative to try to protect the borders of Texas. Would I consider voting for someone other than a Republican? Absolutely I would. I want to vote for the candidate who is going to do the best for the people and not go against thier will.

miraja2 04-12-2010 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 635625)
I have voted for a Democrat numerous times. He has been in office since Jan 2009 and our economy is still in shambles. One year and three months in office should be enough time to try to make some fixes to our struggling economy. I am fully aware that he inherited a mess from Bush. I wanted him to succeed, but he hasn't shown me anything that makes me think he wants to be a successful President. Which do you think should be of a higher priority: Health care reform or fixing the economy. He has gone against the majority of Americans who didn't want the health care bill passed. Instead of thinking about his fellow Americans he thinks about himself. He has put his own political party under the table with this health care reform bill and could care less about it. What has he done about securing our borders from these thug drug cartels? Governor Perry has taken the initiative to try to protect the borders of Texas. Would I consider voting for someone other than a Republican? Absolutely I would. I want to vote for the candidate who is going to do the best for the people and not go against thier will.

I disagree completely. I think it is often a good thing for elected officials to go against the will of the people.
The majority is often ill-informed and wrong.

Danzig 04-12-2010 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 635620)
OK, I'm sorry for saying you're crazy enough to kill someone. That's unfair of me. However, the hate you spew for him scares me, quite honestly. You still haven't told me WHY you hate him so much, though, for any reason that hasn't been proven to be false.

Just to be clear, because I don't think you know this, I didn't vote for him either. But I've accepted him as our President and hope he can do the best job possible. The conservative right just will not give him a chance and that really, really bothers me. I didn't like Bush II, either, and despite his shortfalls I accepted him as our President, too, because the people said they wanted him the same way the people said they wanted Obama. I hoped that others would do the same but clearly the bitterness of losing will never go away for many.

By the way, he was in Texas 6 months ago, with HW Bush. He's not a chickensh1t that you make him out to be. http://ochairball.blogspot.com/2009/...-of-light.html


Just for sh1ts and giggles, have you EVER voted for anyone other than a Republican? Would you ever consider voting for anyone but a Republican?

this and your previous post were right on. well done.

Riot 04-12-2010 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635255)
Didn't you say you hadn't listened to him for the past 10 years?!~

"Be impeccable with your word. Speak with integrity."

??? Embarassing Rush quotes are everywhere in the media, on a fairly regular basis. He's constantly spillin' with the hate and racism. Media Matters, etc....

timmgirvan 04-12-2010 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 635239)
I hear the insurance industry whining ... and desperately playing loopholes and the blame game as their free ride subsidies for MA from the government have been cut off.

Went to the Doctor today and as he was writing out prescriptions for me, I mentioned to him that in June I would become a Medicare subscriber. He assured me that this was no problem, but he told me that Medicare had cut 30% of their payments to him in Dec 09 and just this month reduced their payments to him by 21%. So, if he was receiving 100 dollars a visit in Dec, in May 2010 he'd be getting 49 dollars.
If this is the solution to Medicare costs rising, the Doctors will be run out of business, and the new generations of Docs will be burned out,underpaid, and overworked before they've been an MD for 10 yrs. Does anybody see a problem here??

Riot 04-12-2010 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 635269)
Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from. However, I do equate both terms on the same level. Calling a black person the "N" word and calling someone the "R" word is all about HATE.

No, calling out someone who is racist for being so is all about not tolerating their hate.


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