How about this one for being inbred?

http://www.pedigreequery.com/winlocs+millie

Mr. Prospector is both the sire and dam sire!

Mr. P was one sick dude.

I know.

Even I wouldn't bang my daughter ... I don't care if everyone else thinks she's a perfect 10.. thats sick.

Don't get me wrong .... I still think Mr. Prospector is a great sire ... but, I really lost a lot of respect for him as a person when I saw Winlocs Millie in the form.

I've never seen Inbreeding like these 2 examples.

I thought it was weird last year when I saw a horse in Cali that was by Lear fan out of a Dynaformer mare (or vice versa ), with Roberto so close on each side.

I think the dam and sire of Sumitas were full siblings to each other.

Of course ... I speak of the poster ... not the halfway decent turf horse the poster was named after.

Heinlein would have been proud.

That is exactly how pinhookers make their living. They'll go to the Keeneland September Yearling Sale and buy horses that look fast and will be able to work a fast 1/8th or 1/4 of a mile at the two year old sales a few months later. The good pinhookers have made millions of dollars doing this. They'll buy a yearling for $100,000 in September and turn around and sell it for $400,000 in February or March after it works fast. People like Murray Smith have gotten rich doing this.

To be a good pinhooker, you obviously have to be able to pick fast horses. Slow horse don't sell well at 2 year old sales.

Bayou Hebert was an okay racehorse and a solid Louisiana stallion. Frank Brothers trained him, and I think Al Stall, Sr. owned him.

Just checked it out and Sourdough Sam is already history.:mad:

I always love it when we see a hot horse coming from a smaller track. You never know, he could turnout to be another Smarty Jones.

and here i was thinking viviana was badly inbred...apparently there's far worse.

There is a horse named Uptowncharlybrown that looks like a really nice horse. He broke his maiden very impressively at Tampa Bay Downs. He's running in a stakes race this coming Saturday at Tampa. He's coming back a little quick (3 weeks) but I think he will be able to handle it.

Good looking, big strapping colt with a great stride. Could be anything.

Shhhh.

Tried to get a futures bet on him a couple of weeks ago in Vegas, but he wasn't (and as far as I know, still isn't) on the list. Johnny wasn't there to create a number for me.:(

Edit: He went from 250-1 on Tuesday, down to 60-1.

Yes, I saw Uptowncharlybrown was 250-1 on that list before the race over the weekend. I would have liked to have gotten down at that price.

I posted about him in another thread but since this is the Derby prospect thread I figured I would mention Cowboy Gets Even in this thread. He won really impressively today and looks like he could be any kind if he stays sound as is handled right. He literally had 7-8 lengths of trouble and still won.

Ice Box for Zito was good today. His time was just 1/5 slower then older horses earlier in the card.

I bet the race, I boxed him with the Dutrow, and used them equally in pick 3's. I thought the Zito had turned the cornor in Florida the works were much sharper and appeared to be just going better, with that said the horse SUCKS. He pressed a slow pace, pressing other horses that suck and grinded out a win, the favorite is clearly horrible, he was visually ok in his maiden win but slow and he was really bad today. My guess is Ice Box is not far away from being a claimer. When Steve first posted this race, I went into formulator and looked and I thought to myself it would end up being one the weakest "derby prep" allowances they run at the meet.

Good god!

Do you have any opinion on the race?

i dont think hes as bad as you think. he might not be a grade 1 horse but he is improving when you like to see a horse improve. id like to see what he does next.

Im guessing he is up the track in the FOY.

doubt it

Ok, sorry... Up the track in the Sam F Davis or maybe a race at FG.

if he takes another step forward he can be competitve in stakes. no reason to think he cant move forward again

I really liked Drosselmeyer's win today.

NT

That was quite something. Conversely, I hope that the Forward Gal is not indicative of what we can expect from the Sophomore Filly class.

Anybody know why Lookin at Lucky hasn't been on a regular workout routine?

From brisnet.com

Juvenile colt champion LOOKIN AT LUCKY (Smart Strike), last seen taking the CashCall Futurity (G1), stepped three furlongs in :36 3/5 over the Pro-Ride at Santa Anita on Tuesday. The March 13 San Felipe S. (G2) is being considered by trainer Bob Baffert.

I read somewhere he had gotten sick awhile back.

Kiaran McLaughlin has a 3 year old named Trappe Shot that is an absolute freak. He just broke his maiden, sprinting on Sunday. He should be able to run all day but there simply would not be time to put this horse on the Derby trail. If they play their cards right with this horse, he could be the best 3 year old in the country the 2nd half of the year.

Jon Sadler has a 3 year old filly named Sister Dawn who was a very impressive winner first time out going 5 1/2 furlongs. She is stretching out today to 1 1/16 miles. It's not that easy to come back and win stretching out like this, but I think this filly will be able to handle it. She looks like a route horse and she has had plenty of time to get ready for this race.

Sister Dawn ran 4th. She had no excuses either. They bet her way down too. They bet her down to 6-5 from her 5-2 morning-line.

bump

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There is a horse running tomorrow at Churchill that I think is as good as any 3 year old I've seen this year. His name is Kajiwara. I don't think he will even be the favorite tomorrow. He will probably be the second choice. He shouldn't have any excuses. He should be able to win this race with no problem if he is as good as I think he is.

We'll see just how good the horse is when he's not allowed to set tepid fractions while clear on the front end. He ain't gonna come close to the lead tomorrow with Ninewayhit in the race. Safe Trip probably gets the trip in there, and we know he can sit just off it. I'll bet that Kajiwara goes favored and for me would be a play against at low odds.

Thanks for the heads up Rupert. I probably won't bet him but I am anxious to watch him.

He is m/l 5/2 favorite. Who do you think will be favored over him?

He's actually the 3rd choice in the consensus even though he is 5-2 on the morning-line. I think that Safe Trip will go off as the favorite.

I had literally been waiting for Kajiwara to run for a year. He was in my top 2-3 favorite horses at the OBS March Sale last year. I obviously wasn't the only one that liked him. He sold for $400,000.

When he was finally making his debut, he was only showing like 2 works. They must have just given him the race that day. He ran lousy but he came back and won easy the next time.

I agree with JerseyJ that Kajiwara will probably come from off the pace tomorrow but I don't think that will be a problem. I don't think he needs the lead to win.

Ynot Tony is one of the biggest 2 yr olds I've ever seen . By Andromedas's Hero.