Poor Mine That Bird tried to run extra fast this week to get folks to pay attention to him and still, pfft! Ok well maybe it was b/c he saw another horse way up ahead and got a little competitive. Still...

Who brings up the rear in the Classic? MTB or Zenyatta?

I put it in the post a couple ahead of yours as well as in the first post in the thread.

I think Zenyatta is the most likely winner of the classic, followed by Colonel John....I realize I am in the minority.

So when does the preliminary DRF come out?

How about the go figure's? We know there are always a few every yr. The Desert Code, Sealy Hill big performances that seemingly come out from left field...

Its out... I just signed up.

Did you bet the Breeders Cup last year?

Zenyatta has a chance to hit the board, only because she runs good over the track, but a horse like Gio Ponti will beat the piss out of her.

Here are early (and meaningless) odds for all the races.

http://www.drf.com/newsletter/BCpreentries_102809.pdf

Paul

Thank you sir.

I think Zenyatta will be about 3rd or 4th choice. I think RVW, Gio Ponti, and even the likes of Richards Kid, MTB and Colonal John will get bet.

Handicappers rely on Beyer Figures and hers are lower then most.

There's a better chance of you riding Zenyatta than of her going off the 3rd or 4th choice in the Classic.

NT

yea and Azeri would be odds on in Chicago and not 2/1....there are going to be some many "she cant win" articles being written, I think Crist has it pre-typed. I am not saying one way or another at this point, but get ready for a wave of negativity on this, there is going to be people with pom poms in the horse racing industry/media rooting for her to lose.

I hope she runs in the classic, she will take money which will benefit someone that actually has a better chance to win the race. Regardless of her chances she will take more money than her actual worth IMO.

And they are going to be VASTLY out-numbered by people who want her to win. She is the only active horse in the country that has garnered the type of attention that will get the average joe to plunk down their money.

The BC betting is very often driven by reputation and popularity. That is the reason why Street Sense was the favorite in 2007, right?

NT

what do average joe's bet...cmon.

Can anybody explain to me why the turf sprint is before the sprint?

Does the BC want to lose money on the P6 again?

You think so? I dont think she has much of a fan base at all. It would be one thing to say this about Rachel but most people really dont even know who she is. I dont remmeber Street Sense being that popular either. To me he was very forgettable, just like Zenyatta has been.

I'm not going to argue with you but there's absolutely no way two or three horses are going to go off lower odds in the Classic than Zenyatta. No way.

NT

I think zenyatta and Rip Van Winkle will vie for favoritism. Based on last year, all Euros will be overbet. Zenyatta has a huge fan base in California. I am not sute the same can be said for Gio Ponte.

Paul

2007 Derby? He was the favorite because he was the best horse in the field at that point in their careers. Not sure what your point is.

My point was that people who don't regularly follow the game but get involved on big days recognize certain horses and bet them. Zenyatta is one of them, Gio Ponti is not.

NT

Isn't always been Sprint/Turf/Classic in that order?

Before the 2 day the distaff was somewhere in there also I think.....

I guess we will see, unless we see some defections you will be proven wrong.

they reserve the right to mix it up to provide the best betting sequence.

Thanks Paul, Now I won't be able to sleep thinking I'm gonna get 4-1 on RVW.

I had typed out something long and similar to this but didnt post. I really dont get the whole "Zenyatta superstar" thing at all. She has only won one race that anyone outside the industry/gamblers would have watched, the distaff.

The only reason she may get the attention is because its in California, and that is where she has excelled.

She is definately not in the Smarty Jones/Rachel Alexandra/Cigar superstar category.. where you could ask your average football fan if you heard of the horse.. nobody knows who Zenyatta is.

I think based on popularity, and not just limited to Cali popularity, Summer Bird has the most "star" quality because he at least won a TC race. Some average joe's may know who he is. The reality is, outside of the TC and MAYBE the BC (not on the same level as the TC though), nobody knows or cares who is racing outside of gamblers.

yea, they bet like 5 bucks (say you have 1000 of them)...there are people that will wager $5000 if they really liked someone in that race.

I wouldn't hold out much hope for that...

Paul

dang, forgot about summer bird.....heck he goes off about the same as Zenyatta,

Wow, they changed the lineup today....Give me a minute and I will find out

Fri: Moved the F/M Sprint to right before the Distaff
Sat: They moved the Sprint to earlier and put the Dirt and Turf Mile back to back....Like the moves

Friday
Alw/Opt Claimer 8.5f
Alw/Opt Claimer 6.5f
Breeders' Cup Marathon Marathon $500,000 1 3/4 Miles
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf Juvenile Fillies Turf $1,000,000 1 mile (T)
Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies I Juvenile Fillies $2,000,000 1 1/16 Miles
Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf I Filly & Mare Turf $2,000,000 1 1/4 Miles (T)
Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint I Filly & Mare Sprint $1,000,000 7 Furlongs
Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic I Ladies' Classic $2,000,000 1 1/8 Miles
Las Palmas

Saturday
Damascus Stakes 7f
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf II Juvenile Turf $1,000,000 1 Mile (T)
Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint Turf Sprint $1,000,000 6.5 Furlongs (T)
Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint I Sprint $2,000,000 6 Furlongs
Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile I Juvenile $2,000,000 1 1/16 Miles
TVG Breeders' Cup Mile I Mile $2,000,000 1 Mile (T)
Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile I Dirt Mile $1,000,000 1 Mile
Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf I Turf $3,000,000 1 1/2 Miles (T)
Breeders' Cup Classic I Classic $5,000,000 1 1/4 Miles
Oak Tree Derby 9f Turf

How much stupid money is bet on the BC? it cant be anything like the Derby where everyone wants to make a bet. If there is a lot of stupid money bet I could see her as the 2nd choice behind Summer Bird (he's a better bet but its also similar stupid money bet on him because of the lack of synthetic experience).

Based on performance it should go - the best Euro should be favored (because of the stupid surface), then Summer Bird, Gio, the next best Euro, then Zenyatta.

Gio Ponti stinks.

Zenayatta will take more money than 2009 HOY Summer Bird(:D)

You know seriously he may be forgotten with Rip Van Winkle, Gio Ponti, hopefully Colonel John, Derby winners always seem to take money Mine That Bird, Richard's Kid...ect... I know he's the best horse at 1 1/4, the only question is does he have one more big race in the tank and the obvious risk of not knowing how he will fare on pro ride. Which will be a bonus to his odds if you want a positive spin of not running on dirt.

I agree 100%. If Zenyatta wins the Classic, I will be very impressed as this is a much better field of horses than Rachel took down in any of her 3 wins vs males. Then she will be interesting and a huge story. For now, shes a very good, freakishly consistent horse who only runs in races in her own element.

I still think she doesnt go here and instead opts for the Ladies Classic. Why would we expect anything else from her connections, when they have already had many opportunities to try the males? Wake me up when the Ladies Classic is over.

The Classic is going to be an awesome race, but so, so much better if Zenyatta go. I hope she does.

Exactly Gander, this will become a moot point when Z runs in the Distaff or scratches out of both races. Maybe it will rain and they dont want to run her on wet pro-ride.. like they did at Churchill. It is very hard to root for this horse because of her chicken **** owners. Of course its not the horses fault but it become redundant and boring.

I really hope she runs in the Classic and does well.. then I can appreciate her. If she runs in the Distaff I hope she runs a non-threatening 5th, so the owners can go cry.

Yes I had a very good two days by the way. I don't really know what your point was here. I said I was in the minority, Zenyatta is an underlay...it doesn't mean she can't win.

Gotcha, I see what you're getting at, but I think that was a bad example because he was the best horse in the field. It isn't often the best 3 run 1-2-3 in the Derby but they did in that one.

I hope you bet him...I think there are at the very least 5 horses who are simply better, better suited for the race.

Then if either Z or SB win the Classic, is it fair to say they should seriously receive HOY consideration, and a horse sitting on the sidelines protecting her record should not get it via defacto.