This has already been shown to be far fetched. Why would a system that is patterned after medicare be more efficient especially when it will be a whole lot bigger?

So we are going to enact 4 plans?

Nonsense is right. The "protests" from the right have been far tamer and smaller than the lunatic left and its anti-war or anything Bush protesters ever thought to be. There are just as many radical left protesters showing up at these events however for some reason we dont get to see them. Wonder why that is?

You are so unfamiliar with the subject at hand, that you do not know there are 2 (or three?) plans being developed within House Committees, there is one being developed in Senate Committee, and after recess they will all come together and hammer out a final health reform bill, which they will then vote upon?

Since when are medicare or medicade taxes more than 2 or 3 %?

Why would you think it would be a "whole lot" bigger?

Medicare currently has about 43 million people, Medicad has about 53 million, and people who are currently uninsured in the US are about 46 million, and it's estimated about 36 million of those uninsured people would be insured under a healthcare reform bill.

Of course, that doesn't count the Death Panel government officials taking over control (by armed goon squads) of the private health insurance of the other 290 million people in the country. They will do it by secretly sending death rays out from digital television converters to grannies over 70 years old. Tinfoil hats prevents that, you know.

I'm done. The paranoia is too scary. :wf

And you have the scoop on all these plans? Have you read them? While I do vaguely understand how Congress works, it seems to me that every day these vaunted plans change based upon which way the wind blows. Did you see your people backtracking today on the news shows?

[quote=Riot]All Obama's hand picked town hall meetings.

The thought that this will be self funding is so laughable that I can not believe anyone believes that. They know it cant be but once they have it in place , you know what happens. A massive govt program that pays for itself. Yeah sure.

[quote=Riot]I believe that my "thinking" comes from a far more diverse range of sources than yours considering that you seem to be content with reading White House press releases for your info.

Actually horses healthcare is far less expensive than humans

Are we still going to cover illegal aliens? They were counted among the "uninsured".

this is so ludicrious....

HUGE shortfalls in Federal tax revenue so far this year.

lowest in decades from what i saw the other day. but, it'll all be ok.:zz:

More Govt. spending! That's the cure :eek: . Lower taxes always brings in more $$.

as for the original subject of this thread....only 2% of all submissions by dealers has been paid thus far. yet another example of your govt. bureacracy in action. they are so efficient with time and money, it's really amazing.

:D you were done a long time ago and now are simply burned. :eek:

We will try and carry on for small businesses etc. If we had the :$: we'd build a Politcal DT Memorial to you but we don't.

Take Care

:rolleyes:

Dont fret......Team Zero is gonna "bail out" on the whole mess pretty quick now!:eek:

Let's see:
You believe Obama's birth certificate is fake.
Cannon believes "death panels" are real.

Naw. Don't build a DT Political Memorial, you guys definitely need all your tin foil, don't waste it ;)

How? No one has seen it except for the State official. BTW I know he was born in Hawaii but have a feeling there is something on there that may be misspeak?

Bye Again

......and you think the Emperor is wearing clothes!:D

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32114091...s-white_house/

He was very well-dressed for this one - thanks, Obama! First provisions of Obama's consumer credit card protection act passed in May go into effect:

- Starting this week, card issuers need to give you more time to pay your bills. Now, instead of mailing bills 14 days before the due date, issuers must send bills 21 days in advance of the payment date. That will mean fewer people will get hit with late fees because of postal delays.

- Another provision going into effect this week requires card issuers to give you 45 days' notice when they plan to raise your rate, instead of the current 15-day advance notice.

- Starting in February, if there's an interest rate hike, it cannot be applied to existing balances. And if you carry a balance that has a variety of interest rates, when you make a payment it must be credited to the portion of the balance with the highest annual percentage rate.

And there's much, much more that will make credit cards less usurious:

http://www.suntimes.com/business/sav....savagearticle

That's because most animals don't have insurance companies dictating what I can charge, what diagnostic tests I can run for what conditions, what treatments I can offer, what I get reimbursed, and what veterinarians you can use.

Horse health care (where insurance is greatly involved) is still (relatively) expensive, however. All animals are at the complete mercy of their owners whether they get any health care at all, or not.

thanks obama? lol all he did was sign it, congress has been jacking around with credit card legislation for over a year-the house passed a version over a year ago...

at any rate, good for whomever is loaded down with cards-i have zero credit cards, haven't had them for a few years now.

All of which are great except the number of people that can get credit cards and the amounts that those few that can are tiny. If you are responsible consumer these provisions do virtually nothing for you. Of course why help the people who are responsible...who have jobs, who make their mortgage payments, who already drive decent cars, who dont carry large balances on credit by spending beyond their means...

Stay on the subject. I know you are clueless to what is happening and maybe we can help you understand what will happen. Here's one, go to the post office or DMV and pretend that it is now your healthcare provider. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy doesnt it?

Exactly, which makes us some of us animals scared to think what kind of healthcare we will get when at the mercy of the govt (our owners)

LOL, only you could try and turn consumer protection against usurious practices a bad thing :D This helps responsible consumers too. People that want to use a credit card to maybe buy a refrigerator and pay it off over three months, etc. It even helps those who pay off their balances monthly, as there are huge fees incurred for being a day late, etc. It will decrease the number of irresponsible people that are approved for cards, which makes our costs (responsible people) less.

Actually, you're doing a very good job as poster child for clueless regarding healthcare reform.

I challenge you to turn off Fox News, and stop directly channeling O'Reilly and Hannity for a week. The world is a nicer, less scary place when it's reality-based.

Perhaps you didnt read the link that you posted. The CREDIT CARD COMPANIES ARE RAISING INTEREST RATES ON EVERYONE IN RESPONSE TO THIS !!!!! So the guy buying the fridge will now pay more for that item if he pays over three months. Sounds great....

from the article
According to Bill Hardekopf, CEO of LowCards.com, a free consumer resource Web site on credit cards, you can expect card issuers to charge even more fees to make up for those losses. He predicts more card issuers will charge annual fees, up from the current 20 percent that do so today.

And he forecasts that many card issuers will solve the problem of advance notice of rate changes by simply making their cards "variable rate" cards, subject to an index such as the prime rate, plus a few percentage points. Then when interest rates go up, your card's interest rate will rise automatically.
Card issuers are also cutting back on reward programs, or making it more difficult to earn or redeem points. And some have started charging a fee of as much as 5 percent for transferring a balance. It will hardly be worthwhile to search for a lower rate card if you have to pay this much to move your outstanding balance.


yeah this is TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!

Clueless? You think you are a Republican!

Sigh ... Yes, I know what the credit card companies are doing right now.

I find it hilarious that you think this would be good reason to eliminate consumer protections for yourself in the future.

Please - go back into your bunker, and come out in eight years. Your blood pressure will be in much better shape.

You are afraid of government death panels.

So the fact that the responsible people that pay them are going to have to pay more now and get less is a good thing and we should Trumpet this breathtaking legislation? Come on you are desperate to find something good to post that Obama has done and what you have come up with really doesnt help anyone but the least responsible people who are really the ones to blame for a great deal of this economic mess in the first place. If that is the best you can do...I rest my case.

I said nothing of the sort. Simply pointed out that Palin's talk of them caused scurrying among the healthcare pushers to amend their bills. I guess she isnt that dumb afterall considering the massive amount of backtracking your people made? You are a google intellectual. You really have no comprehension of the issues but if given the time will be able to google up something that proves your point or simply fall back to your Fox news or Bush rabble. Here is one of your fav sites..they dont much like this Obamacare crap either

http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/...12/town_halls/

Canadian health officials admitting that Obamastyle healthcare in Canada sucks

http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...335rGu_Z3KXoQw

Responsible people will pay less. Period.