It's not hilarious when little children are asked science questions, they eagerly raise their hands with the answers they learned in school, seen on the Discovery Channel, etc - and they are told they are wrong.

Of course, opinion, fact, wild-azzed guess, "what I feel strongly" - it all has the same weight in the empirical world, to some.

what gets me most would be the people who say there's no such thing as evolution-i then mention eohippus. we'd never have jocks making weight had horses remained in their orirginal form. :D

Yes they'd be able to make weight cause we were like 18 inches tall back then.

Maybe its the jockeys that have never evolved?

LOL - the explaination, OBVIOUSLY, has to be that all things ever found fossilized were here all at once, at the same time, all placed here by God by the end of the 6th day - but some of it has died out. Carbon dating = Just "a theory"

I vote for far more Republicans than Democrats but I am not a member of the party, dont donate money or time, etc. The problem here is you cant debate ideology without being categorized.

As a science teacher I have fought this battle...
its really not worth it.

So I again will paraphrase Jonathan Swift on this one:

Do not attempt to reason a man (or pregnant woman) out of
something they did not reason themselves into.

There is no arguement.
Mainly because some people do not have
a grasp of what science is, and is not.

Its quite futile imo...

If they really are searching for a reasonable truth,
they will find it. Eventually. I hope. Maybe not...

But, c'mon, how about that gravity thing? That's easy.

That's not the choice being discussed. The choice is birth control or baby.

If you really want me to play the role of the other side...

Gravity is very diff.
It is a purely physical phenomena that
is much cleaner than something as messy
as life.

Sorry it took so long to get back. Here goes... Appoint cabinet members who have paid their taxes, send pork filled spending bills back to Congress for another try, an investigation into Fanny and Freddy is an excellent idea, drill for our own oil, get the ball rolling on nookular energy (loved it when Bush said "nookular") enforce immigration laws that are already on the books, appoint a supreme court justice who shows a knowledge of constitutional law not one who's decisions have been overturned more than 50% of the time, not get involved in running banks and auto manufacturers, make Bush tax cuts permanent, cut capital gains tax, cut inheritance tax, give Mexico more help fighting it's (our?) drug war, stop investing in the ethanol fiasco, increase military spending to spur the economy (our stuff is getting worn out from our adventures in the Mideast), just for starters. I'd go on a "date night" to Hollywood park while it's still around.

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If fossil records can prove evolution why can't they prove the planet has been warming and cooling on it's own? Sometimes catastrophically. I guess it depends who is trying to prove what.

Um ... they have ;)

The important question (that has been answered) is how does this period of warming differ from the past?

whoopsadiddle...

How does it differ? Who answered,Al Gore? What was the answer?

Whoosh .....

This period of warming includes setting records for being cold

The cloudy, chilly and rainy open to June here has been the talk of the town. So far this June is running more than 12 degrees cooler than last year, and the clouds, rain and chilly lake winds have been persistent. The average temperature at O'Hare International Airport through Friday has been only 59.5 degrees: nearly 7 degrees below normal and the coldest since records there began 50 years ago. :zz: :zz:
http://weblogs.wgntv.com/chicago-wea...one-for-2.html
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Whoosh ...

Let's see how cold we can get!!!!

also noticed on 'Most Dangerous Catch' one of my favs, that the captains were reporting never seeing ice so far south like they did this past winter but what do they know? No lab coats you know.....

Nice catch! Nothing like finding the hypocrisy in the same thread no doubt.

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I find it hilarious that in your attempt to "disprove" global warming, you have given two examples that scientists not only predicted, but you used examples that are now considered absolutely confirmatory that global warming is happening at a faster rate than feared 20 years ago :tro:

Hormones!!!!!!!!!

remember in my lifetime and for sure your's when scientists were predicting another ice age?

Actually the posters that are labeled liberals on this board are in fact admitted liberals except for Riot who refuses the designation.

And we all know you only have two political designations - your opinion, and everyone else who is a liberal, a damn liberal, or a stupid liberal ;)

What is telling is that the label of liberal clearly bothers some.

So you do not mind being labeled conservative bordering
on reactionary.

Im joking about the reactionary part of course

I don't know much about anything other than Cleveland sports...but with the extreme liberal media that exists, when exactly did the word "liberal" become a bad thing?? Something so bad, that nearly every single democrat today runs screeching at fear for being called a "liberal". This is a word thrown out all the time meant to be a demeaning thing. Why exactly is that??

What is a liberal?? The media has been called "liberal". What does that mean? Was William Buckley liberal simply because he wrote newspaper articles?? Is this Glenn Beck guy liberal because he is on TV and radio?? Rush Limbaugh is a liberal because he does a radio show?? Because by classic definition, the media is absolutely controlled by these liberals. I mean completely controlled. I could go on with Sean Hannity and others. But if these guys are by strict defnition liberals...who are the conservatives within the media?? So Rachel Maddow and Michael Savage are the same because both are media entities??

I have great trouble understanding these discussions in this section which is why I never post in this section. The media is a liberal construct. Educate me.

I find it amazing you think that setting records for 'the coldest June' since records have been kept is somehow indicative of global waming happening at a faster rate than feared 20 years ago!!!

Not quite as amazing as you thinking "Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it"

and with that strong interest and understanding of Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter has come to the conclusion that the persecution of the Palestinians now,(by Isreal) under the occupying territories—under the occupation forces—is one of the worst examples of human rights deprivation that he knows. Worse than Rwanda.

Though!

Just because it seems you can't post here without some one slapping a label on you ;)

Climate is a long time construct. Weather is a short time construct. Even in centuries long periods of global warming or cooling on any particular day or month you will have locations that will be either "warmer" than normal or "colder" than normal within those short time constructs within the long "climate" time construct.

Global warning is a controversial topic. But to take short time periods that are in opposition or in support of the long term "climate" change position on either side is ridiculous. The positions that both sides take in this are pretty comical. Like Hurricane Katrina was the product of global warming...very silly. Like a cold Chicago June is proof that global warming is not occuring...very silly.

Here's the Sarah Palin campaign stop test:

What does not fit with "liberal"?
A. Muslim
B. Terrorist
C. Media
D. American

Now, the saddest thing I saw, the other day, was some media wonks making Hitler out to be a liberal. So they could associate Obama with him. It was pathetic these people had access to public airways.

Frankly, I think that people today simply are not very educated, and throw words out there whether they fit or not.

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tsk, tsk.......so much hyperbole...so little time!

I am on the right side:tro:

Because it does, Dell. As do the guys on your show noting that ice is appearing in fishing and shipping lanes it never used to. Go learn something basic about climate change.

Not really, not any more. This isn't 10 years ago. Very few scientists with any national standing or international standing say it doesn't exist anymore. The overwhelming consensus is that it's very real, it's here, and it's happening far faster than we thought. The question is how much man can influence it or attenuate it. Go to nationalgeographic.com and enter "global warming", they've had some good articles with all sides discussed.

thousands of scientists,plus the founder of the Weather Channel say global warming is BS!

Find me 10. You might be able to find a few that are unsure whether global warming is man-made or naturally occurring but you won't find anyone denying that it is occurring.

man made cottage industry........