He really comes off as a big p.ussy. Apologies or not.

[quote=Riot][quote=Antitrust32]lol I cant believe I'm arguing something that is so fucl<ing obvious. probably cause you're acting like a child with her fingers in her ears yelling LALALALALALALALALALALALALAlALAL
:zz: :zz:

then again this subject isn't 'thread worthy' LMAO

[quote=dellinger63][quote=Riot]No, my ears are open. Just waiting for you to set me straight with some reality.

Here's the full text of that TV interview (at the bottom under "transcript")
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/01/27/65087.html

Can someone quote me the "apologized on our behalf" part? I can't seem to find it.

Lol, because the first part at least is from WND and an article by Star Parker.

You can't attribute WND or Star Parker as a source or you'll get laughed out of the room.

They're like HuffPo on dishonest steroids.

I would say I'm with Riot in wanting to actually see some apologies before blasting him for having apologized...but why worry about things like direct quotes when Star Parker and Worldnet Daily are here to tell you how things actually are.

LOLZ

We don't need Star Parker, WND or the HuffPost's interpretations, we have the actual transcript of Obamas real words to discuss. Let's see what parts people don't like.

Leave it to Coach to spell it out in such a simple, truthfull way.

I'm with you completely. It's not an "apology tour" because crazy Star Parker says it's so. The lack of direct quotations is telling.

what do u think of the white house asking the supreme court not to hear the case about dont ask dont tell?

he's going to lose a lot of votes if he keeps flip flopping on gay rights.

Here is a direct quote, while he doesnt use the terms "I'm sorry", he is often critical of our great country. Maybe I should have used "tour of criticism" instead of "apology tour". for that I apologize for being an arrogant american.

"there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive"

there are many other quotes though. I'll leave them to Dell!

Is it that he admitted it that bothers you, or that you don't actually believe that to be true?

If it's the former, then we see apologizing in a different way because I think admitting your faults is noble. If it's the latter, I think you're delusional.

And I'm conflicted on DADT and how he's going about it. I'm not his biggest fan right now by any remote stretch based on that issue and other similar ones...but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

http://ifawebnews.com/2009/05/27/oba...surance-plans/

Yes the administrative costs for Medicare are tremendously low. :rolleyes:

And 1-800-Medicare has grate customer service. Just ask your grandparents!!

What do they expect the thousands of health insurance agents to do?

Its the former. Admitting your faults to your own country is one thing.. criticizing your country to the rest of the world is another. It is insulting to us and makes us look weak. But we wont see eye to eye on this no matter how long we go back and forth. Thats one of the great things about being American.


I didnt really like the whole "we are fine with kicking gays out of the military" line the white house gave today. not an exact quote but thats what it meant.

But I gotta jet have a good night my fellow citizen!

So if he says it to Americans, it's admitting our faults.
If he says it to non-Americans, it's criticism of America?

It's the same thing, to begin with. The internet means that non-Americans can see him "admitting our faults" to Americans....does it instantly turn into criticism when a non-American is viewing it or hearing it? The logic just doesn't make sense.

What did you think about Obama then immediately attacking Europe for it's anti-Americanism, and pointing out what good our great country has done? And telling Europe they are dependent upon America?

He gets no credit for standing up for America on the world stage?

Sorry - this doesn't seem a "tour of apology" to me.

It's acknowledging that what you even agree are basic truths - where we are in the world right now.

"In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious. Instead of recognising the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what is bad. On both sides of the Atlantic, these attitudes have become all too common. They are not wise. They do not represent the truth. They threaten to widen the divide across the Atlantic and leave us both more isolated.

They fail to acknowledge the fundamental truth that America cannot confront the challenges of this century alone, but that Europe cannot confront them without America."

Yeah damn straight.
Just beat your woman over the head
with a club and pull her by the hair to
the sex cave.

Very simple, very effective.
Brute ignorance (or strength).

I found what the person above must be talking about - good lord, what a whacky interpretion!

Transcript from the interview (not the whole thing):

Q: Absolutely. Let me take a broader look at the whole region. You are planning to address the Muslim world in your first 100 days from a Muslim capital. And everybody is speculating about the capital. (Laughter) If you have anything further, that would be great. How concerned are you -- because, let me tell you, honestly, when I see certain things about America -- in some parts, I don't want to exaggerate -- there is a demonization of America.

THE PRESIDENT: Absolutely.

Q: It's become like a new religion, and like a new religion it has new converts -- like a new religion has its own high priests.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

Q: It's only a religious text.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

Q: And in the last -- since 9/11 and because of Iraq, that alienation is wider between the Americans and -- and in generations past, the United States was held high. It was the only Western power with no colonial legacy.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

Q: How concerned are you and -- because people sense that you have a different political discourse. And I think, judging by (inaudible) and
Zawahiri and Osama bin Laden and all these, you know -- a chorus --

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I noticed this. They seem nervous.

Q: They seem very nervous, exactly. Now, tell me why they should be more nervous?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that when you look at the rhetoric that they've been using against me before I even took office --

Q: I know, I know.

THE PRESIDENT: -- what that tells me is that their ideas are bankrupt. There's no actions that they've taken that say a child in the Muslim world is getting a better education because of them, or has better health care because of them.

In my inauguration speech, I spoke about: You will be judged on what you've built, not what you've destroyed. And what they've been doing is destroying things. And over time, I think the Muslim world has recognized that that path is leading no place, except more death and destruction.

Now, my job is to communicate the fact that the United States has a stake in the well-being of the Muslim world that the language we use has to be a language of respect. I have Muslim members of my family. I have lived in Muslim countries.

Q: The largest one.

THE PRESIDENT: The largest one, Indonesia. And so what I want to
communicate is the fact that in all my travels throughout the Muslim world, what I've come to understand is that regardless of your faith -- and America is a country of Muslims, Jews, Christians, non-believers -- regardless of your faith, people all have certain common hopes and common dreams.

And my job is to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives. My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect. But if you look at the track record, as you say, America was not born as a colonial power, and that the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there's no reason why we can't restore that. Andthat I think is going to be an important task.

But ultimately, people are going to judge me not by my words but by my actions and my administration's actions. And I think that what you will see over the next several years is that I'm not going to agree with everything that some Muslim leader may say, or what's on a television station in the Arab world -- but I think that what you'll see is somebody who is listening, who is respectful, and who is trying to promote the interests not just of the United States, but also ordinary people who right now are suffering from poverty and a lack of opportunity. I want to make sure that I'm speaking to them, as well.

Q: Tell me, time is running out, any decision on from where you will be visiting the Muslim world?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I'm not going to break the news right here.

Q: Afghanistan?

THE PRESIDENT: But maybe next time. But it is something that is going to be important. I want people to recognize, though, that we are going to be making a series of initiatives. Sending George Mitchell to the Middle East is fulfilling my campaign promise that we're not going to wait until the end of my administration to deal with Palestinian and Israeli peace, we're going to start now. It may take a long time to do, but we're going to do it now.

We're going to follow through on our commitment for me to address the Muslim world from a Muslim capital. We are going to follow through on many of my commitments to do a more effective job of reaching out, listening, as well as speaking to the Muslim world.

And you're going to see me following through with dealing with a drawdown of troops in Iraq, so that Iraqis can start taking more responsibility. And finally, I think you've already seen a commitment, in terms of closing Guantanamo, and making clear that even as we are decisive in going after terrorist organizations that would kill innocent civilians, that we're going to do so on our terms, and we're going to do so respecting the rule of law that I think makes America great.

Q: President Bush framed the war on terror conceptually in a way that was very broad, "war on terror," and used sometimes certain terminology that the many people -- Islamic fascism. You've always framed it in a different way, specifically against one group called al Qaeda and their collaborators. And is this one way of --

THE PRESIDENT: I think that you're making a very important point. And that is that the language we use matters. And what we need to understand is, is that there are extremist organizations -- whether Muslim or any other faith in the past -- that will use faith as a justification for violence. We cannot paint with a broad brush a faith as a consequence of the violence that is done in that faith's name.

And so you will I think see our administration be very clear in
distinguishing between organizations like al Qaeda -- that espouse violence, espouse terror and act on it -- and people who may disagree with my administration and certain actions, or may have a particular viewpoint in terms of how their countries should develop. We can have legitimate disagreements but still be respectful. I cannot respect terrorist organizations that would kill innocent civilians and we will hunt them down.

But to the broader Muslim world what we are going to be offering is a hand of friendship.

Pat Gardner. Physics Teacher. Internet Tough Guy.

the speech rightfully impressed the international community and most patriotic americans. they saw a mature president whose foreign policy is motivated by a desire for reconciliation and partnership. and he could do it in complete coherent sentences.

what's depressing is the reaction of the right. mitt romney called the president's effort an apology trip which is then vomited all over the internet, including here. rush says he sided with al-qaida. and the dumbest guy in the senate, jim inhofe calls the president un-american.

republicans want to pretend they're tough. but what really comes through is fear. they're scared of dialogue and scared of empathy. they're scared of complexity and ambiguity.

and they're particularly scared of an america that elected a black guy and isn't as easily rattled as they are.

Only thing Im scared of is my mom.

I'm scared of circus clowns.

duh.

everyone's afraid of clowns.

OOOOO the one's from "IT" are the worst.

look up john wayne gacy sometime.

that's a scary clown.

Sarah Palin gave an introduction last week (?) to Micheal Reagan speaking at a GOP function - and seriously, reading the transcript, there are whole paragraphs that I can't tell what she's trying to say.

Oh, Gacy was sick, sick.

i was actually taking a cheap "bush is an inarticulate dyslectic ******" shot with that sentence. those never get old for me.

but watching sarah try to cram for her 2012 presidential exam after 45 years of dumb is also train wreck awesome.

I would be offended if he said that to us. Admitting your faults and calling your country arrogant are two different things.

Admitting the deficit is a problem is okay... then going and making it 4 times larger is the Obama way.

Well, I guess there is at least one thing that I like better about the Bush presidency than the Obama presidency: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/23510

trying to show he isn't a godless heathen. but i don't listen to his speeches, so it won't bother me. now, if he starts invading countries at gods command, then i'll start worrying.

Sounds to me like ALOT of people have hard feelings because the guy isnt part of the party they voted for or even more shameful possibly because he is not from their ethical or racial background!!! That is the sad and ignorant part of this country. We as a country are just a little more subtle about it.

And what is wrong with acknowledging the mistakes this country has made.....we are by no means perfect contrary to what prior administrations the past 8 years have tried to convey to the world!!!!!

Oh if he did that you'd say something like "he listens to a different God than Bush did" and to be correct that came up because a reporter asked Jr. if he had consulted his father regarding the Iraq war and he said there is a higher power than Sr not that God told him to invade.

Meanwhile Obama is once again on both sides of yet another issue this time being religion. He's going to have to dig deep in his roots to find a Jewish ancestor before he visits Isreal. Or maybe he'll take the duct tape off Rahm's mouth and drag him along.

Jordy Boy.
Expert at a variety of forms
of the adjective, noun, verb...
douche.

Internet MMA champ.

Aw, c'mon, Bush gets a pass now, he's out of office :wf

Sarah's good for another four years of comedy gold in the late night TV wars.

I really can't figure out what the hell is happening in her brain - she opens her mouth and strings of unending and apparently unassociated words just fall out ... it's seriously weird. The Katie Couric interview was not a fluke.

Just turn the sound down and the closed caption feature on

"Reagan knew that real change and real change requiring shaking things up and maybe takin' off the entrenched interest thwarting the will of the people with their ignoring of our concerns about future peril caused by selfish short-sighted advocacy for growing government and digging more debt and taking away individual and state's rights and hampering opportunity to responsibly develop our resources and coddling those who would seek to harm America and her allies." - Sarah Palin, June 2009

Speaking of comedy gold, was in the mood for some on the drive home yesterday so, of course, I tuned in the high-pitch Hannity radio program. And high-pitch certainly didn't disappoint as he let loose with this whopper during another one of his tired, predictable anti-BO diatribes ... 'the stock market has been stuck for a while now.'


LMAO


Over the last three months the S&P 500 index is up no less than 34%


The only thing that appears to be "stuck" is the blood that's supposed to be flowing to high-pitch's brain...

You should try Jackies Joke Hunt on Sirius 101 Tuesday's 4 PM PST instead...

Jon Stewart the other night showed Hannity saying Obama "gave a voice to those that supported the 9/11 attacks", followed by a sound clip.

Only problem was that Hannity cut off the sound clip mid-sentence. The rest of the sound bite showed Obama clearly saying the opposite, that those that supported the 9/11 attacks were wrong.

Pretty funny.

Edit: Well, pretty sick, considering the people that think Hannity is truth and reality.

That part wasn't really that funny. The rest of that episode was some of his best stuff. He ripped apart the bias of FoxNews, he ripped apart the bias of MSNBC, and then he ripped apart the patheticness of CNN. Some of his best stuff in years. Regardless of your politics, check out the first half of Monday's episode on-line. It was some good old slam everyone action.