I guess my point was comparing Big Brown's competition to Zenyatta's or Curlin's. Based on the list I posted, I am suggesting that Big Brown's competitors were in the same conversation as the other two horses.

What would be the point? All you will say is that the four aren't better than the four you named. But what the hell............

Ginger Punch
Hystericalady
Wanderin Boy
Einstein
Music Note
Cocoa Beach
Well Armed

I know, I know. You don't even have to say it. I know that all of those horses that I mentioned are grade one and grade two winners, some of them of multiple races, and that doesn't compare to what Denis of Cork and Eight Belles did in their careers but I thought I'd mention them anyway.

You're kidding? People are still buying this Colonel John crap after Mambo in Seattle's debacle against Curlin? And Tale of Slowkati around two turns? What exactly did Denis of Cork accomplish this year? You have to be kidding.

Honestly, the list you provided are not better than the four I named.

i'd take einstein over any of those horses in a new york minute. and most of those horses, i'd take the last place finisher in the distaff over. tomcito, really? hey bern? seriously? and who the bloody hell is crimson comic?

because they A: raced big brown, and B: because roller doc said so.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Denis of Cork hit the board in both the Kentucky Derby and Belmont Stakes? Unless you don't consider those two races very important?

Honestly, the best two horses you probably named were Proudinsky and Shakis and that is pretty sad.

Restricted races are meaningless when you are running against a terrible crop. Someone had to hit the board in those races. Doesn't automatically make them a good horse, just better than the crap in their crop.

Once again, when did I ever say any of those horses were "good horses?" I was making comparisons to the other HOY candidates competition and simply making a point that Big Brown belongs in that conversation.

I would put Einstein toward the top of my list. Crimson Comic faced Big Brown in his Maiden Race. He was highly touted back then.

Beating a highly touted maiden, who has done nothing, shouldn't have anything to do with this discussion.

I agree, it really doesn't.

I would probably put Asiatic Boy ahead of just about anyone Big Brown beat at this time.

I'm trying to remember, was that in Dubai?

Now that is a real knee slapper.

Or sarcasm

Yes, but that doesn't really matter.

Actually it matters in this conversation since this is in regards to North American voting for HOY.

I thought you might say that..my understanding is that it involves US/North American based horses, not where they run. Curlin's race in Dubai counts as much as BB' in the US.

Anyone who knows differently, please correct me.

Very nice move. Waiting for me to take the bait I see. I hope I am right but I do not know.

It really wasn't that intentional..

here is an easy link..just lists American Race Horse not defining where they run..again, not 100% sure

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Horse_of_the_Year

This may have already been posted, but certainly includes Curlin's Dubai win on his resume.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ray&id=3665217

Oh my god.
When you see them all together like that.....it becomes even more clear what a ridiculous collection of donkeys they really were.

Don't be condescending like I was. Just give him your horses that you think are better. That is, if such horses even exist.

I wasn't attempting to be condescending. In fact, I have no real opinion on HOY. I think a somewhat reasonable case could probably be made for Big Brown.

I was just struck by how horrible that group of horses is/was.

I couldn't tell based on that but what was really interesting after seeing the list of all the HOY winners, John Henry in 1984 was 9 years old? That is hard to imagine.

That is all i am really saying. My list would be comparable to any names that could be listed for competitors of Zenayatta and Curlin.

If you are trying to say he belongs on the ballot, of course. If you are trying to say he should win, I disagree.

Sincerely,
Capt. Obvious

I would probably put him third behind those two, but if he wins.....I sure won't care very much.

I'm saying both, and I know he is not favored to win HOY. Personally I think he should win based on the way the year played out. In most other years, this would not even be a conversation. He would be top 3yr. old and that's it (which is a great achievement in itself).

Please Stop Before 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

If that is directed at me, how about I promise to stop by 2009? Luckily since I live out west, I get a couple extra hours to post before the new year.

I'm not sure what's more idiotic.

RollerDoc's argument, or people arguing with him over it.

Easily, the later. At least, on my behalf, I realized he wasn't serious a long time ago so I stopped trying to have a serious debate with him. He had me going for a minute though.

My head just exploded.