geeker asked a simple question (seemingly) nine pages ago, and hasn't got an answer yet.
seems it's far easier to proclaim what the problems are, rather than the solutions offered.

Just give me the the approved list please...

I answered it.

Bush sucks, change, greedy Corporations, evil rich people...oops sorry geeker, please punish me now...

No he isn't.




Ratty-O.

those three points you made? that's what he'll do? well, whoopie. i don't care how good a speaker is-actions speak louder than any words; he can't lower taxes unless congress sends him a bill to lower taxes, and the war will end whether he gets in there or not.
and the middle class might be happy with a tax break, but when the businesses they work for leave on the same track as those who have gone before, to cheaper labor south of the border for instance, it won't do those folks much good. raising corporate taxes is not a way to grow the economy, to create jobs...it will however temporarily raise the amount of spending that obama has promised. the 'evil' businesses we all either work for or operate pay a lot already-much of their employees health care, they equal the amount taken out in social security benefits, pay workers comp and unemployment insurance, etc. and now a tax increase on the people who pay all our wages. you really think the owners, stockholders, top execs are going to take a hit to pay for that loss? hell no. that will trickle down to the workers as well. two things happen when a business sees less on the bottom line. what can we cut, what prices can we raise? it's never, gee, i guess i'll take a hit on my income so my workers still get their due.

By the way--the initial emotional edge seems to have run out.





The second have could get rated CP.

I think you summed it up nicely :tro:

You said "no one answered geeker's question" which i told you was incorrect because i did in fact answer it. Now, if i didnt answer how you wanted me to, thats just too bad.

And your reply right there shows how disingenuous this whole topic was and that is why I really felt it didnt deserve an answer. Thanks for showing your hand.

This is a thread to convince all us non believers- so let's hear all the good that Obama will do



that was geekers question. so, no, you didn't answer as apparently you have yet to convince a non-believer.


edit~personally, i was hoping for some good, worthwhile answers. i'm still undecided.

its not my job. Ask obama.

Then why did you?

LOL. i will remove my answer. waste of time anyway.

um, yeah..i'll do that. :rolleyes:

all this endless harping about what has been done has done nothing to tell me what will be done. apparently no one really knows.

The "tax plan" that Dala doesnt want you know about...

It was not a waste of time...a bit far fetched but still worth our time.

yes dala conspiracy. I want to hide op eds from WSJ.

Get ready for that tax plan big boy. Just a few months away.

Hey I am not pi$$ing Chuck off - he trains our horses.


As far as the thread - I think it lost it's focus a few pages ago...but your response was truthful and for that Morty will PM you a picture of his (_!_).

Nah, waste of time. None of us know ****.

i fell for the cheese. next time i will know better.

Anyway, you guys watching this game?

I will open up an office in Dubai. What exactly in that piece isnt true? And you know that there is no way you are clicking that link if i dont hide it. Did you at least read it?

Chuck, you are an excellent horseman and i appreciate the ability to interact with you on all topics. You are indeed knowledgeable and i would consider it an honor if i could some day see your barn.

Sports my friend. lets talk sports. Im bored with politics.

I think the saying is you took the cheese not fell for the cheese...I don't think you can fall for the cheese.

The cheese stands alone.

No, I don't have any of them. I think you're talkin' about the half Turk-half Black guy. He does mainly RnB,or pop RNB. He has good natural tone, but poor range(means he needs to embrace pop more than he does.) He has various issues. Should sing easier songs.

well you were the one who suggested negotiating with our enemies. i would guess that i would not be alone in being pessimistic about the chances of this coming about sucessfully.

Country?

My barn door is always open to such a openminded and obviously intellegent person.



Mo williams is a god


Juan Pierre rules


Eli is on the take
















Morty to comment soon...

Thank you for the compliment and the invite.

i will retire from political posts until someone says something I cant resist responding to.

Juan Pierre? Killed us in the 2003 series!

why is "he isn't bush" good enough?

i know it violates geek's completely artificial rules but when most of the country is voting democratic because the republicans hitched their wagon to a punchline the last 8 years, why do the rest of us need to explain things further?

we're electing a black guy. that's not because we're such an advanced society. and we could have elected a chick. that's how bad you f'd up.

stop lining up behind retards for most of a decade and deserving people like mccain won't get swamped.

LOL

I'm game for that.




































How bout them 'Skins:D :D :wf

Can't say that is a thread violation.

It seems that was a common theme for a lot of the responders. The Bush hatred goes deep. No matter who ends up at the top - the severe division will unfortunately continue.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122393387064230201.html

This is a good piece (non partisan)

Ok.
I will try.

1. He will bring in the best advisors he possilby can. Obama has proclaimed he will not put "friends" in high places, just the best people he can find, including Republicans.

2. He is a natural leader. I believe he really believes he can make a difference. I dont believe this is just an ego trip. The job is way too tough for that. The guy has shown a penchant most for turning down bucks and actually trying to aid in public service. I really think he wants to be a public servant.

3. He is the most likely Democrat to bridge the difference between the parties. I dont think Hillary (given her hubby and the past) could be as effective at trying to make things better in this realm. The Republicans have had 8 years. It may have been very bad timing, but in this time things have not gone well. And yes change, just for the sake of change, can be good. I thought this was part of the idea of having term limits.

4. Obama has a history of being very pragmatic. If a consensus and logic convinces him that deep tax hikes on large companies would not be good, he will not do it. His history indicates he tries very hard to seek a consensus and does not really rely on his gut instincts to do things. He apparently is a very good listener. And he wants a variety of opinions, imo. I do not think he is bullheaded and inflexible.

As far as the real issues.
1. Obama will not be able to fix Health care. No one will in 4 years.
2. He will probably continue the same sort of policy as Bush in Iraq with the exception of trying to move more troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan with rapidity. He will be told he cannot just pull out of Iraq. He knows this.
3. The economy I dont believe can really be turned by any single President quickly. So what McCain proposes v. what Obama proposes will not make a huge difference in the short run.

And here is what I believe to be the sad part: If he was actually beaten by McCain at this point (ie being significantly ahead; no modern day president has lost with this much of a lead in the polls), it would be interpreted by many to be America just could not handle a black guy being president. Look how many lied to the pollsters. Right or wrong, it would create a great deal of suspicion.

The goal of both candidates right now is to get elected. What they present to the masses will not dictate what they will actually be required to do when if office. Obama will piss off a good number of liberal Democrats just like McCain would have with Republicans.

Way too much crapola.
Sorry Morty and Pants if ... nah they wont read it thru
as most will not.
I dont blame em.

When she visits be sure to grind her body parts up and feed them to sumwonlovesu.

Thebby has turned her into a vegan but Hank will eat anything

Thanks pgardn ... that was a good post :tro: