Those are base facts. Is that what you are resorting to? You need to stick to debates with the antitrust32's of the world.

Where are your facts wrong?

Policy toward Israel hasnt changed since 1945,er, 1948

This alone shows a complete lack of understanding of US policy toward the region. It was not until the mid 60's that the US policy changed significantly. 1967 to be exact. Our aid to Israel both militarily and economically increased dramatically. These were the formative years of the neo con movement. Nixon years. Between 1967 and 1990, we had all of four years with a democrat in office.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...t/1990/BCE.htm

How about here?

LOL

HE IS THE DEAN OF THE John F Kennedy School of government at

HARVARD UNIVERSITY


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You said that I support the withdraw of US support for Isreal, which is not true. In fact, you put a lot of words into my mouth by making assumptions about my posts that were not true. The only thing i said was our support of Isreal is the main core reason we are hated by the ME.

I dont disagree with your statements above. I just dont feel we need to be so high up Isreals asses like we are. And we can keep some of that money and use it towards that grand ol' U S of A.

I got somethin' for yer mouth right ovah heah,baby.

ehhh fuc

DalaHO, you really kicked his butt in the debate considering the only thing you can call him out on is a three year difference in when the country was formed. :zz: Way to go, you should be so proud you are still an idiot!! :tro:

Your fist?

The fact that that is all you garnered from this whole discussion was a three year difference in time (as if that is minor) shows how hopelessly stupid and ignorant you are. What should i expect from a lesbian that claims to be a republican?

Keep up the suck up role. everyone needs a place i guess. You certainly have yours.

Where is the love for my vikes pick coach?

this is a beauty for someone as educated as yourself

I garnered that you are a typical arrogant liberal who comes with nothing of substance except attacks on other posters who may not agree with your politics or 'values'. You denied the existance of jews as a voting bloc, threw out the 'Isreal lobby' as a bunch of neocons and Republicans and blamed them for everything. Then posted some opinion papers that we are supposed to take as fact and called people names. yeah you suported your position well, so well we dont even know what it is except to blast Republicans and lesbians.

Would not a big cut in economic aid be regarded as a lack of support?:wf

First a post with UFO's and now this?

First of all, you brought the "jewish vote" in in regards to the Israel lobby as if they were one in the same when in fact they are not.

Secondly, the idea that all Jewish people vote the same is ridiculous. yes, chuck, Jewish people vote. Many are democrats. You do realize though the history of the neo con movement and their involvement with the Israel lobby dont you? You do realize that many Neo cons are jewish dont you? Most importantly, YOU DO REALIZE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND NOT JEWISH VOTERS DONT YOU?



This is a bad subject because so few understand much beyond what has been fed. Its just like the economy.

I'm sick and I'm leaving.

Yeah, I get called names left and right by both of you and yet i am doing the attacking. Right from the neo con playbook chuck. Well done.

Don't blame your lack of comprehension on a lack of support and explanation from my part. I can't be blamed for your failures or those of your teachers.

You skew the facts and issues laid out becaue you have no clue on the subject and anyone with a brain (that would preclude antitrust32) knows it. I have laid out the facts and support with opinions with people knowledgable on the subject.

When you have time, perhaps you should have someone read you the articles.

"You act as if there is such a thing as the jewish vote"

That was your statement. Yet i am the idiot? Your implication that the Isreal lobby somehow is only neeocons and Rebublicans is just as stupid. I'm sure they send you the notes of the secret meetings...

I'm sure the clinton years were just miserable for the Isrealis

Again distortion. That is actually a lie chuck. That would make you a LIAR. Typical.

Im sure your white house "informant" gives you all of the ins and outs of the Israel lobby and what goes on. You do "know more than 99% of the people out there of what goes on in the whitehouse".

LOL

Here is the resume. Yes, you know more than him too chuck.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/about/fac...y/stephen-walt

First of all show one occasion in this thread where I called you a name? Secondly dont act like you presented your side when you basically posted articles and called names. Where in this thread do you specifically say what your position is? Other than to disagree with me? And worry about 1945 or 1948? What did I skew? The fact that Harvard has historically taken stances against Isreal? That the policis have basically not wavered? That pseudo-intellectuals like you are never able to see the world for what it is? That blaame must be assigned and secret movements are to blame...

You are weak. You have made that implication. How else would anyone take your statements about the Isreall lobby? How is that a LIE? Again, you just make things personal avoid substance.

You are so biased that you cant even see the folly of your assertions.

This was your first attack which i responded to. You want to enter that world, im happy to. Even in your last post, you call me a "psuedo-intellectual". What does that make you chuck? Are you a psuedo-idiot?

Harvard takes stances against Israel? support the claim. And support that U of Chicago does as well while you are at it. You can't.

You still dont get that the policies of the US toward Israel changed in the sixties. Why? How? Read what was posted and the articles with them.

If you want to stay ignorant to the subject that is your choice.

I'm sure George Bush and Sarah Palin have more impressive resumes than you yet you seem to feel smarter than they are?

I did not say the guy isnt smart, just potentially biased. You know like favors one side over another and uses his intellegence to try to distort things? Because you know smart people are all straight shooters?

Nah, chuck, youve got that smart thing cornered.

The funny thing is that you ASSUME and claim bias without reading what was written. Dispute the facts. Prove the bias.

I can't find anything wrong with what was said in th piece. Can you? And if so, specifically what?

I'm staying.

What exactly is your position in this whole deal? You have never actually said anything except indirectly blame neocons and republicans for some changing of policy in the 60's? That and called names and posted articles. There are millions of articles about this subject on both sides and simply posting them is a waste of time unless you point out the fact or statements that you are stressing. Once again, what did i say that was so factual incorrect except for the dates?

And do we really want to go into the history of antisemitism at places like Harvard?

You stated that our policy has been the same since 1945 (you meant since the beginning of Israel which was in 1948). This is incorrect which i have pointed out many times throughout. The US changed policy significantly in the sixties. Your statement was factually incorrect.

You do realize that the PRESIDENT Of HAVARD is JEWISH

I'm getting a dala woody again.



I like her spitting frenzies.

Some day my love! I am a mortimer fan before all else.

ALL you have Dala, is name calling... you have no other substance and never have. And people should take you seriously because of that?? :zz:

And you didnt prove anything different from Cannons arguements. Your WHOLE arguement didnt even make sense! Somehow you claim only Republicans support Isreal, and there is no such thing as a Jewish vote, eventhough according to you the Jewish vote goes to the Repubs. But Cannon was three years off on the formation of Isreal and there goes his whole arguement.

Keep trying. When people have no substance they just resort to name calling.

You leave her alone you LESBO!

As Barack would say, settle down, settle down people

I'll find something cheery we can all agree on...

I dont think so. I think we can still be a strong ally to Isreal without having to give them 3 bill a year. But again this is above my pay grade.