Originally Posted by Antitrust32

As far as commander in chief goes, just gonna have to agree to disagree with ateam on this. For I think he's just as wrong with his opinion as he thinks I'm wrong with my opinion.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If you remember Clinton's 'Bridge to the 21st century' acceptance speech at the '96 DNC he ruined it by droning on for minutes about the great future threat of foreign terrorisim.

Much like with Scuds Dodgers obssesion - few people really cared about the subject at the time - and it was vintage Clinton fear mongering .. albeit at levels that have unbelievably been topped by the Chimp.

I'd love to know how Clinton was supposed to stop an ultra high concept, low tech, type of attack that occured 9 months after he left office.

I guess he could have personally captured and killed Osama bin Laden before the plans were made - probably not an easy task considering he's still at helm of Al Qaeda 7 years after the execution of 9/11.

I reffered to bin Laden a couple of times and compared a poster to him in posts at the old AOL Horse Racing board before the attacts on 9/11. A few people who post here remember them - and people seemed to have no idea who the hell bin Laden was at the time.

The USS Cole attack was overshadowed bigtime in the press by what was going in with the Bush and Gore fiasco. I wish Clinton would have tried to use the USS Cole as an excuse to launch an invasion on a random foreign country that had nothing to do with the incident.

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Clinton had all intel coming into him on anything Al-qaida and did nothing.
How about these events?
February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.

Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI's lower Manhattan headquarters.

November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian "Party of God") explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.

August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.

What were Clinton's response again?

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL, he started an unnecessary $2 trillion war. That should be end of discussion when it comes to 'commander in chief' chops.

Originally Posted by Crown@club

What were Clinton's response again?

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the whole fin' country was behind the war when it was started. dems and repubs. More Democrats voted FOR the war than Not for. (I briefly counted 29 dems for, and 23 against). I remember speaking to my friend who works as an arabic translator in the navy b4 the war (and hes a dem) and he told me we will be suprised by the amount of WMD's we will find over there.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...0237&session=2

You wont find Obama's vote cause he was still doing nothing in the state senate.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're gonna have to backpeddle a little better than this I'm afraid. Look, it's fine that you feel the way you do. We're all different. Just man up and admit it to yourself.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

The Catholic Church is guilty of those things...I'm with you on that! I said God doesn't smoke..how is that an insight into my thoughts?
The visitor from another country would explain the stilted view stated in his posts,imo! What else ya got? Read slower...you won't miss so much;)

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Clinton had all intel coming into him on anything Al-qaida and did nothing.
How about these events?
February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.

Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI's lower Manhattan headquarters.

November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian "Party of God") explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.

August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.

What were Clinton's response again?

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

As any thinking person would surmise, the WMD's were moved to Syria and parts unknown....the entire world believed Saddam had them and wouldn't hesitate to use them

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So the Catholic church has exclusive rights to the crimes listed above? Or is it fair to say that some of the worst crimes committed against mankind have been in the name of _______ religion and described as "missions from God".

Wait a second....where have i heard this mission from God thing?

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

As any thinking person would surmise, the WMD's were moved to Syria and parts unknown....the entire world believed Saddam had them and wouldn't hesitate to use them

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So this is the part where I say that you are obfuscating the stream of posts
in order to give a rote explanation for the troubles of the world?
Hitlers' treatment of the Jews and the Armenien genocide didn't have much to do with religion!

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You are better than that last sentence...well maybe not, but the last sentence is just dumb.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the whole fin' country was behind the war when it was started. dems and repubs. More Democrats voted FOR the war than Not for. (I briefly counted 29 dems for, and 23 against). I remember speaking to my friend who works as an arabic translator in the navy b4 the war (and hes a dem) and he told me we will be suprised by the amount of WMD's we will find over there.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...0237&session=2

You wont find Obama's vote cause he was still doing nothing in the state senate.

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Clinton had all intel coming into him on anything Al-qaida and did nothing.
How about these events?
February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.

Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI's lower Manhattan headquarters.

November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian "Party of God") explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.

August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.

What were Clinton's response again?

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I stated my case and gave you examples. You agreed with me on one issue I brought up and dodged the other 3. Sometimes the truth hurts.

If you fail to see how the comments YOU made are predjudiced, well there isn't a whole lot else I can do.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

How doe that not fit with your previous post? Do you disagree about both historical incidents?

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Seriously? The hell difference does it make what your friend in the Navy thought we'd find? What kind of point is that? Did we find anything? Did the U.N. Inspectors find anything? Did it matter?

Bush used the ripe fear from 9/11 to scare everyone into going with the war. The Democrats don't get a free pass from me, but the Bush administration is ultimately responsible.

They were the ones pulling the god damn trigger, what difference does it make what the American people thought? The fact that the majority of the country was for the war doesn't mean anything. The bottom line is that this was a totally unnecessary war that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and will cost at least $2 trillion. Enough to rebuild every road, bridge and tunnel in America. How can you possibly excuse this? The blood is on the hands of the geniuses who trusted Bush, and now we're supposed to trust a guy who wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely instead of one who called the war a terrible idea from day one? Get ****ed.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

This is your quote:

Hitlers' treatment of the Jews and the Armenien genocide didn't have much to do with religion!

Hitler killed 6 million people because they were Jewish and it "didnt have much to do with religion"?

Timmi, that is soooo dumb i feel like i am getting dumber responding to it.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

WHEN YOU HAVE A WHOLE SOUTHEAST PORTION of a country being all one color in presidential elections, I think it's time to let them live as they see fit, and let the rest of the country live the way they see fit. We aren't even close on viewpoint on very much at all. Really, go be what you want to be. If that lights up red as fkn Rudolf Reindeer's nose this year(again,) then certainly it's time to consider letting them have their own country. The Electoral College has caused this resentment. This monochromatic cluster of micro majorities has gotten old. Nevada, Colorado, Ohio, New Hampshire,and Virginia are the close states. There is no clear cut massive blue cluster, The IMMEDIATE COASTS ARE BLUE, BUT INLAND THEY ARE NOT NEARLY AS BLUE, AND SOME RED STATES. The obvious cluster is the Southeast. Go. Be your own people. Outlaw abortion. Hava a rifle in every truck, van and car. Give gays bus fare, and tell them to be on their way. $4 MINIMUM WAGE...Lower taxes on corporate profits. Be proud when EXXON MOBIL reports 15 bil in quarterly profits (that increased because you've cut their taxes by a 3rd.) Whatever you want to do. Just go. Be proud of your Southern Values, but please do it in your own neck country. Thank You. You should want to do this. Why be trying to keep this fake dance up? We don't like your neck values, and you have every right to dislike our values. At some point, it becomes time to separate when people just don't have enough in common. Zig I simply disagree that the Southeast part of this country has anything to contribute to the rest of the country( Not anymore.) Any commerce will continue as is. You'll just get to make the neck laws that fit the area you live in. That's the best for all parties involved.

Originally Posted by Crown@club

What were Clinton's response again?

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm done. After this: Hitlers' treatment of the Jews and the Armenien genocide didn't have much to do with religion!, there isn't any way you are of sound mind. And I've already wasted enough of my week arguing with morons. Just be honest, that's all.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Gosh Joey I never knew how much of a little b1tch you are!

The fact is the government, the people of this country, and 39 OTHER countries believed in this war and the cause.

Its always easier to monday morning quarterback.

If the middle east ever become a stable region.. Bush will be regarded as a hero. YOU take the threat of the middle east way too lightly Joey.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Do I really have to explain this...I'm shocked! Hitlers solution to inferior races wasn't based on religion..was based on cleaning up Germanys' bloodlines for the Master race..DOH!

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Gosh Joey I never knew how much of a little b1tch you are!

The fact is the government, the people of this country, and 39 OTHER countries believed in this war and the cause.

Its always easier to monday morning quarterback.

If the middle east ever become a stable region.. Bush will be regarded as a hero. YOU take the threat of the middle east way too lightly Joey.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Because they were given misleading information and it indeed has been PROVEN that the "evidence" laid out was not genuine.

Lets say I want a job to work with your company antitrust. I provide a resume. You look at it as does your board and you decide to hire me based on my resume'.

Two years later, your company is in shambles because of hiring me. It turns out that it was a mistake and that everything you thought beforehand based on my resume was wrong. And, after investigating, you find out that I LIED about everything on the resume in order to get the job.

Can you and the board really be to blame for the bad hire? Or is it more fair to blame ME because I LIED?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Look, i know that they didnt teach you this in vacuum cleaner sales school but Judaism is a RELIGION.

Hitler killed people if they were JEWISH.

Hence, jewish people were killed based on their RELIGION.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

GW did not lie. He was presented with the information, he did not make it up. You sound like Michael Moore. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I hate people for no reason and I'm an agnostic. What?

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

GW did not lie. He was presented with the information, he did not make it up. You sound like Michael Moore. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Can you and the board really be to blame for the bad hire? Or is it more fair to blame ME because I LIED?

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

If you get your head outta DailyKos you might find out that Hitler was into Satanism and was trying to create his Master race, thereby needing to cleanse his country from any mixed blood from Jewish, Polish and other lesser
citizens that didn't meet with their criteria....you could look it up:eek:

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I dont deny any of this but you still miss the point...sadly.

Remember forrest, stupid is as stupid does.