How did Favre end his 2nd last season, oh yeah interception.
 

So sad, I was looking forward to Favre improving on his record of
interceptions in his 3rd final season

I remeber last season (in the middle of a 4-12 campaign) seeing a Verizon commercial starring Mangenius and laughing. Thinking that there are like 25 other more qualified, better coaches that should be doing the commercial.

One final quote from a guy you didn't hear much from..

Q: This question was asked a lot this summer, and neither you nor (General Manager) Ted Thompson ever answered it directly. Why did you guys pick Aaron Rodgers instead of Brett Favre?

McCarthy: "I'm going to say this about the Favre situation: First of all, we should be here talking about the 2008 team, and I think we both recognize that. Secondly, that wasn't the question. I think so much has been twisted and spun. It really came down to him making a decision. I'm coaching the football team. At some point, when you get involved in situations that are at an organization level, then everybody's responsible for their part. Ted is responsible for the whole football operation. I'm ultimately responsible for the football team. Decisions have to be made on factual information, and I think if you just go out there and connect the dots, you can answer your own question. I'm going to stay on the high road with this thing. Obviously, I'm not in agreement with a lot of things that have been said or will continue to be said. There's nothing to gain for me to go back into it."

Q: After all that happened, where does your relationship stand with Brett, and how did you leave things with him when you last spoke?

McCarthy: "We haven't spoken since he left here. He was here on that Monday and Tuesday, and I think he left on Wednesday, right? So I spoke to him here Monday night for a long time, Tuesday morning for a long time, and I spoke to him on the phone that evening. It was very productive, respectful, but I haven't spoken to him since he's gone on to New York. As a head coach for an opposing team, I don't think it would be appropriate for me to be calling someone's starting quarterback."

Way to throw your GM under the bus. 9-7 or less and Ted will be sure to fire you before he gets canned.

not at all how i read that.

think you're wildly off base.

How are you reading it? Being omniscient I do agree you are starting with a big advantage here.

i think the organization guy was giving the organization answer.

he isn't going to dis a hall of famer that should go in with a packer uniform.

but nothing he said was a shot at his gm. he said as much as he could.

what i read is the packers took favre at his word and moved on to a point they couldn't turn back when he changed his mind (again).

I hate Favre and he's to blame for the Packers ever using a draft pick on Rodgers in the first place but this whole part to me sounds totally like the coach is saying he is only in charge of the players he has on the team and the GM determines who is on that team and even though he doesn't agree with who that GM put on the team, he's not going to say anything bad, but you can connect the dots.

I'm coaching the football team. At some point, when you get involved in situations that are at an organization level, then everybody's responsible for their part. Ted is responsible for the whole football operation. I'm ultimately responsible for the football team. Decisions have to be made on factual information, and I think if you just go out there and connect the dots, you can answer your own question. I'm going to stay on the high road with this thing. Obviously, I'm not in agreement with a lot of things that have been said or will continue to be said.

i don't read it that way at all. i think you're supposed to connect the dots back to favre being indecisive.

why would you think he'd bury his gm and not the guy that plays on another team? win or lose, he's the coach of the packers. i've seen no public wedge between him the gm before now. why do you think he'd start that?

Cause he doesn't have much faith in Rodgers and wants a fallback excuse if they suck this year. I happen to think Rodgers will be very good.

[quote=GBBob]Well..actually he has spent the last 3 off seasons in GB learning the system and working out. This is HIS team now, not Favres's.

IF...and that's a huge IF considering who he is replacing, Rodgers stays healthy (and Favre doesn't come back):

1) GB will make the playoffs oops
2) He will throw at least 25 TDs
3) His passer rating will be 90 or better
4) And he will throw picks...probably 15 or so 13
5) BUT..He will rush for enough yards to be in the Top 5-7 QBs running the ball Yes

touchdown passes (28), passing yards (4,038) and passer rating (93.8).

[quote=GBBob]Rodgers played well. The rest of the team didn't. Grant was pretty much a no-show all season.

GB bounces back next year if Grant gets back on track and the defense stays healthy.

I know this stat is out there and this is a good one that actually matters...

how many times did he have the ball with a chance to win the game?

;)

[quote=philcski]Agree with all of this. I loved watching Rodgers this year. He makes throws that not a lot of QB's can make and he is mobile. This was only his first full year of starting and he basically got no support from the ground game.

they lost a lot of close games. I think they could easily be a playoff team next year.

They lost a lot of close games because he couldn't close the deal.

Here is a list of quarterbacks Coach Tedford sent to the NFL...

Akili Smith, Trent Dilfer, Joey Harrington, and Kyle Boller.

LOL.

Rodgers is now getting ridiculous money. He better learn how to win games in crunch time or he'll be a bust like the 3 guys I won't mention from that list.

Agreed...I think 2 or 3 times, but he also put them in position to win games late, but 1) Crosby missed GW winner in Minny 2) Houston went 97 yards in one minute plus to kick GW, 3) Bears drove the field to force OT and hit GW after Crosby missed GW at end of reg, 4) Tenn OT game loss and there are more defensive implosions, but this is top of head. This stat below sums up GB season. I think Rodgers will convert a few of what you talk about next year, but they have to get better defensively.

In counting 419 points, Green Bay was not far from the 435 points it got last year. McCarthy’s team scored 48 touchdowns in both instances.

The difference lies in the number of points given up. Last year, the Packers allowed 291. This year, the total ballooned to 380, tied for fifth most in team history.

LOL, where's wiphan? Before the season, dude was saying that the Packers had better running backs than the Jets.

I'm not sure they didn't? First time in NFL history yesterday with 2 backs and 2 WR each getting over 100 yds. These stats before yesterday..GB ran for over 200 more..not sure about NYJ, but pretty close either way
Rushing Statistics
NAME ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
Thomas Jones 290 1312 4.5 59 13 2 1
Leon Washington 76 448 5.9 61 6 1 0
Brad Smith 12 113 9.4 36 0 1 1
Tony Richardson 10 65 6.5 16 0 0 0
Brett Favre 21 43 2.0 27 1 5 0
Laveranues Coles 2 9 4.5 6 0 0 0
Jerricho Cotchery 2 8 4.0 8 0 0 0
Jesse Chatman 5 8 1.6 5 0 0 0
Chansi Stuckey 1 1 1.0 1 0 0 0
Kellen Clemens 3 -3 -1.0 -1 0 0 0
Totals 422 2004 4.7 61 20 9 2


Rushing Statistics
NAME ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
Ryan Grant 312 1203 3.9 57 4 4 3
Brandon Jackson 45 248 5.5 32 1 1 0
Aaron Rodgers 56 207 3.7 21 4 4 0
DeShawn Wynn 8 110 13.8 73 1 0 0
Kregg Lumpkin 1 19 19.0 19 0 0 0
John Kuhn 8 10 1.3 3 1 0 0
Matt Flynn 4 4 1.0 6 0 1 0
Donald Driver 2 4 2.0 6 0 0 0
Derrick Frost 1 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
Totals 437 1805 4.1 73 11 11 3

Um.. 1760 + 19 TD's > 1451 + 5 TD's?

What..are you saying back out Rodgers numbers?

Read above. Is Rodgers a running back?

If anyone wants to criticize the Packers D or special teams, jump in and I'll join you, but when talking about their RBs, WR or QB..I really don't agree with most of the negativity. Grant was at 50% because of a hamstring until Week 5 and I think is even with Thomas Jones or better. Leon might have an edge over Brandon and overall maybe they are "better", but it's really splitting hairs, IMO

:rolleyes: Yeah, Leon Washington, the NFL's leader in all-purpose yards and 40+ yard plays, and Brandon Jackson, same thing. I'm out.

jeez Joey...sorry you were bounced yesterday, but it's just a discussion.

shocking news developing:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3818870

"I'm an emotional guy, and I'm sure people are tired of seeing me get emotional. People would probably say, 'Oh, here he goes again.' I think it would just better for me to just thank the Jets, and I sincerely mean that. It was well worth what I invested. But I'm going to just quietly step away if that's what happens."

--Brett Favre

I laughed

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jet...-scenario.html

Ray Lewis interested in the Jets.

Favre will come back if this happens.

I'm glad he's ticking on someone else's clock this year

I know people are raving over Rodgers' season. I wasn't impressed. All of the nerds with their stats overlook the key statistic. Winning.

We'll see how he does in the next few years. It doesn't appear that he has the will to win like the greats have.

ftfy

We'll see...If Year 2 doesn't provide those intagibles, then I'll get off the bandwagon

retired finally. hope he stays that way.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...2&sportCat=nfl

This article is so stupid. It starts off with:

Maybe it was the cowardly teammate who anonymously ripped him in print. Maybe it was the absence of a game-breaking wide receiver or running back. Maybe it was the prospect of playing for a fourth different head coach in five years.

How the fucl< is Thomas Jones not considered a game-breaking running back!?!?!? He had over 1300 yards this season! And you have Washington right behind him!

And who wouldnt want Coles and Cotchery as your wide-outs!?!? They are as capible as anyone!!

This author is stupid.

And who is this Wojciechowski person? He looks EXACTLY like Dr. Green from ER... the one who died of a brain tumor. Is it the same guy? (i doubt it)

Don't even waste your time Lori. The deifying of Favre in the media is as sure as the sunrise. The further we get from last season, the more people will overlook his 22 interceptions and distant attitude towards the team.

I'm very thankful that he's gone and more importantly, that he made a relatively timely decision. Obviously our QB position is unsettled, but I've been saying for a while that we don't need a superstar under center. I think Clemens or Ratty could be at least adequate, but if the organization doesn't think so, they now have the cap room to pursue a stopgap and still improve at other positions. Not that it means anything, but McShay has Sanchez going to the Jets at 17.

This is better for the Jet offense, because as much as Schotty drives me nuts, he was hamstrung last year tailoring the offense to Favre. Now we can get back to running first, which Rex has committed to.

Mainly I'm happy that it's now completely Rex's team rather than Favre's. Saddling Rex in his first year with a media darling larger-than-life QB prone to interceptions would've been disastrous. Now at least Rex has the reins, and he can succeed or fail on his own. There won't be any "what if?" questions. A fresh start.

You can have another Rex if you want him :)

Using the term "unsettled" to describe the Jets QB situation is the mark of a true fan.

Does anyone know how much the Jets # 4 ""Favre"" Jerseys are on E-bay
Now ?? :zz:

I dunno, I guess I don't think it's as dire as you do. Clemens' only chance to play came behind a horrendous offensive line in '07, and he's played well at times (he won three of the four games that season), so I don't think he's totally useless. Ratty has looked good against nobody, but there's cause for optimism. Plus now with the cap opened up, there's a possibility to draft a QB and/or sign a Jeff Garcia type for this season.

Derek Anderson?

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...d-in-anderson/

Since he "retired", he can now go to the Vikings without the Jets losing additional draft picks.
Don't be surprised if he is wearing purple in September.

And why was Barber villified for ratting on Giant's teamamtes, but Jones gets a free pass?

I don't think it's necessarily dire, I just thought "unsettled" was a bit understated. I do not think Clemens has proven he can't play, but I don't believe from what I have read that the organization has much faith in him. As far as the Jeff Garcia type is concerned, not a fan of that type of approach. But, Leftwich, behind a good offensive line, might be the best option. They should have grabbed Chris Simms when they had the chance.

What? Ratted on who? People asked him if he was annoyed at the interceptions and he answered truthfully. He didn't go off on Favre. All he said was "if you're not playing well, you need to come out of the game. You're jeopardizing the team." He said that if he were fumbling the ball, he'd expect to come out. How is that "ratting"?

TJ is one of the hardest workers in the NFL and the ball was ripped out of his hands by this interception machine. If I were him, I would've said a lot more.

So no to Garcia, but yes to Leftwich and Simms? Explain.