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_ed_ 06-24-2008 09:19 PM

6 months? Got off light. Would be a lifetime ban here.

ArlJim78 06-24-2008 09:19 PM

i know i'll be in the minority on this but i'd ban him for life if it were my call.

jcs11204 06-24-2008 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
YAAAAAAY

you dont mean that...
deep down, you like me

Danzig 06-24-2008 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
you dont mean that...
deep down, you like me

yeah, deep down maybe i like my monster in law too.

jcs11204 06-24-2008 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
yeah, deep down maybe i like my monster in law too.

lol

10 pnt move up 06-24-2008 09:23 PM

this dwarfs the carrero situation as he was not responsible for the injury, just really horrible judgement and temper.

Scav 06-24-2008 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
you dont mean that...
deep down, you like me

I don't think she is the only one that means it.

I agree with Coach, banning of the smart threads only, toss him down into the basement and see how long he lasts.....

Danzig 06-24-2008 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
i know i'll be in the minority on this but i'd ban him for life if it were my call.

wouldn't bother me one bit. plenty of other jocks out there-who won't resort to taking horribly cheap shots on a horse who did the best they could.

jcs11204 06-24-2008 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I don't think she is the only one that means it.

I agree with Coach, banning of the smart threads only, toss him down into the basement and see how long he lasts.....

danzig's a she ?

Danzig 06-24-2008 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I don't think she is the only one that means it.

I agree with Coach, banning of the smart threads only, toss him down into the basement and see how long he lasts.....

morty'll eat him for lunch.

Danzig 06-24-2008 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
danzig's a she ?

man, you ARE sharp.

jcs11204 06-24-2008 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
man, you ARE sharp.

how would i know that until now ?
your pretty hardcore, i def. did not guess, she :)

Danzig 06-24-2008 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
how would i know that until now ?
your pretty hardcore, i def. did not guess, she :)

thanks?

jcs11204 06-24-2008 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
thanks?

i mean the way you attack me, not a bad thing....not a insult, nothing like that.

Danzig 06-24-2008 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i mean the way you attack me, not a bad thing....not a insult, nothing like that.

no big deal, didn't take it as an insult. honestly, not the first time someone thought i was a guy because of the way i post....

jcs11204 06-24-2008 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
no big deal, didn't take it as an insult. honestly, not the first time someone thought i was a guy because of the way i post....

lol thats what im trying to say.. i thought you were a guy because of the way you post...

Habersham000 06-24-2008 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
i know i'll be in the minority on this but i'd ban him for life if it were my call.

Life time banning wouldn't bother me one bit....taking an eye out of an animal that makes you a very nice living should not be tolerated. Horses don't have a voice...there needs to be a bigger crackdown on things like this

GPK 06-24-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
lol thats what im trying to say.. i thought you were a guy because of the way you post...


I've seen pics....she is all woman:eek: ;)

Danzig 06-24-2008 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
I've seen pics....she is all woman:eek: ;)


:o


ah, kev...if only i was single....

GPK 06-24-2008 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
:o


ah, kev...if only i was single....


You're teasing me...





















again:{>:

slotdirt 06-24-2008 09:52 PM

DT: Kev's wannabe internet dating service since 2005.

herkhorse 06-24-2008 10:00 PM

I liked Rose too, but my opinion changed today- HORRENDOUS! Hard to see a legit excuse for that. Roman Chappa got 5 years for the buzzer. Not comparing the two incidents in any way, but a 6 month ban does not seem long enough to me. That is just plain cruel, and it's the last thing horse racing needs right now. WTF was he thinking?

ddthetide 06-24-2008 10:07 PM

i've always like JR but what the heck was he thinking? no explaination is goin to help. i hate to say i don't think 6 months is long enough.

now here's an odd thought. WHAT IF, that was one of our horses? if the joc is lucky CS gets to him first, there might be some left for the rest of us.

Oaklawnfan 06-24-2008 10:12 PM

If he is truly guilty. BAN HIM.:mad: You don't do that to a horse. No matter what. JMO

Danzig 06-24-2008 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
i've always like JR but what the heck was he thinking? no explaination is goin to help. i hate to say i don't think 6 months is long enough.

now here's an odd thought. WHAT IF, that was one of our horses? if the joc is lucky CS gets to him first, there might be some left for the rest of us.


if it was one of ours....i'd be in jail. absolutely no reason for that. i think he completely lost his mind.

and it does him NO favors at all that he has said not one word-no apologies, no remorse--not that it would do much good right now. he's not only shown that he's stupid and cruel, but unrepentant as well.

i think he should be suspended for quite a bit longer than six months, and i think he should have to do community service at an animal rescue...for starters!

Coach Pants 06-24-2008 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
i've always like JR but what the heck was he thinking? no explaination is goin to help. i hate to say i don't think 6 months is long enough.

now here's an odd thought. WHAT IF, that was one of our horses? if the joc is lucky CS gets to him first, there might be some left for the rest of us.

Just think if it was Pacman Jones beating that horse! :eek:

Danzig 06-24-2008 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Just think if it was Pacman Jones beating that horse! :eek:

well, jerry jones would still want him.

PPerfectfan 06-24-2008 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I'm biased obviously, since I like the jock, but even with the head on, I think there's at least a chance the guy didn't do it with intent.

Ok, really??? Seriously???? :rolleyes: Ray Charles could see that he did it because he was pissed that the horse almost dumped him by lugging into the other horse!! :zz:

PPerfectfan 06-24-2008 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
i've always like JR but what the heck was he thinking? no explaination is goin to help. i hate to say i don't think 6 months is long enough.

now here's an odd thought. WHAT IF, that was one of our horses? if the joc is lucky CS gets to him first, there might be some left for the rest of us.

Hey I am from south Louisiana, you dont what to know what we would do to him if he did that crap to one of our horses. :mad: them swamps is deep, deep I tell ya!!!! :eek:

miraja2 06-24-2008 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
i know i'll be in the minority on this but i'd ban him for life if it were my call.

Are you talking about Rose or PG1985?
Rose I could see.....but a lifetime without PG1985?
I'd be pissed.

my miss storm cat 06-24-2008 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
i know i'll be in the minority on this but i'd ban him for life if it were my call.

Same here...

jcs11204 06-25-2008 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Are you talking about Rose or PG1985?
Rose I could see.....but a lifetime without PG1985?
I'd be pissed.

i should not be the website joke anymore, im handicapping pretty good latley, and i post all my plays well in advance :)

Indian Charlie 06-25-2008 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Originally Posted by slotdirt
Can I ask a question? In all seriousness, is it not at all even remotely possible that the whip in question was an accident? If Rose comes out and says it was an accident, do we just completely dismiss it? Again, I know I'll get slammed again for even asking the question, but I don't understand why folks won't even consider that there is perhaps another side to the story.


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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i think it was a accident, i doubt rose did this on purpose... i was going to post that earlier, but to be honest was afraid of the response from everyone else.

Proof enough slotdirt?

Indian Charlie 06-25-2008 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
morty'll eat him for lunch.

Dude, you are so wrong. PG will make his head explode.

I could probably get +10,000 in a head to head matchup on PG vs Morty, and I think I'd be a mortal lock!

letswastemoney 06-25-2008 01:01 AM

Even if it was an accident, it just shows how careless Rose is.

I agree with everyone else though that there's no excuse.

Rupert Pupkin 06-25-2008 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
A jockey can't make any money when he's suspended.

A trainer basically gets a vacation. It would be one thing if cell phones didn't exist - and races couldn't be watched on tv or the Internet - or the trainer's help is so incompetent that they can't be left unsupervised.

The horses just run in someone elses name and the show goes on the same as always.

They have really cracked down on that. They try to make sure that the trainer does not get paid during the suspension. They will even check bank accounts sometimes. Sometimes they will stipulate that the trainer is to have no contact with the barn and they will sometimes check phone records.

Indian Charlie 06-25-2008 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
They have really cracked down on that. They try to make sure that the trainer does not get paid during the suspension. They will even check bank accounts sometimes. Sometimes they will stipulate that the trainer is to have no contact with the barn and they will sometimes check phone records.

That's pretty funny.

Even trainers should be able to figure out a way around having their phone records checked!

1. Borrow a phone.
2. Skype.
3. Vonage under someone else's name.
4. Email.
5. Webcam video.

And on, and on, and on...

3kings 06-25-2008 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
They have really cracked down on that. They try to make sure that the trainer does not get paid during the suspension. They will even check bank accounts sometimes. Sometimes they will stipulate that the trainer is to have no contact with the barn and they will sometimes check phone records.

They have cracked down on illegal drugs and stimulants too. I'm pretty sure most trainers could find the ingenuity to keep in contact with their barn and owners after a suspension. These are the same people who were hiding the use of illegal drugs etc. in the first place.

zippyneedsawin 06-25-2008 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
They have really cracked down on that. They try to make sure that the trainer does not get paid during the suspension. They will even check bank accounts sometimes. Sometimes they will stipulate that the trainer is to have no contact with the barn and they will sometimes check phone records.

Who is the "they" cracking down on this that would have the authority to do all these things to check on a trainer? I just find it hard to believe track or racing officials could gain access to phone records, bank account info, etc... I think you're probably right that an effort is being made to make sure a suspension is upheld and adhered to, I just doubt it can be examined to that extent.

zippyneedsawin 06-25-2008 05:17 AM

To me, Rose appeared to act out in anger or frustration. While it's certainly a human thing to do.. and I'm guilty of it nearly every day, there's no excuse for taking it out on the horse. I agree with the penalty. Lifetime banishment seems excessive, unless he repeats the offense in ANY WAY after he is reinstated. Either way, his name is going to be Mudd for a long while.. if not for the rest of his career.


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