When they grab a quarter, that can take some time to heal too. We had a filly that grabbed a quarter a couple of years ago and she needed a few weeks off. And when you miss a few weeks of training that means you're not going to be able to run for a couple of months. We had actually been invited to run in the $750,000 Grade I American Oaks and we had to skip the race because of the grabbed quarter. I don't think the filly's feet were ever really the same after that. She always seemed to have little problmes with her feet after that. It was a shame because she had never had foot problems before she stumbled and grabbed the quarter.

I believe Gary Lockett will feel much worse than BB in the morning:zz:

Yes you could

I'm feeling a yearling name coming on

Thanks for the info Rupert, now I am left guessing who that horse was? BTW I don't know if you feel comfortable talking about this on a public forum but why did Stronach separate himself from Hoffmans after they had a pretty good year. A Plate, A Lexington and a Belmont is not too shabby.

NoSandalsAllowed

Mens feet ewww

Sandalfetish

Love it! :D Way to go Scav!!

I don't know anything about the Hofmans/Stronach split.

I never liked the guys that stood behind me in a fight....because I absorbed all of the punches.... 8-)

badfeetnosandal

flipoffflipflop (good luck Trevor)

cameltoenotscavtoe

Why do you think I want to be that guy, and not the boxer? NO THANK YOU!!

That last one is CLASSIC and I bet that they wouldn't catch it either....

we won't be finding out :cool:

the 2008 Belmont was Liston vs. Ali.



With no Ali.


no Liston.

no sports illustrated.

No "phantom punch". All we got were some club fighters, and the mob.

It was Liston & Ali muzak.

It could become a cult classic like 'Thong or Panties"

Damn horse won again today

That's a shame. Seems like a pattern with Frank.

grabbing a quarter is when a horse basically trips himself up, usually one of his back feet hitting one of his front, and possibly taking off a piece of hoof, or the shoe, in the process.
war admiraly famously grabbed a quarter in the belmont, came back to the winners circle with blood all over his underside. the injury was serious enough that they almost retired him. luckily (or else seasbiscuit might not be quite so famous) he was able to return to racing.
a quarter crack is a flaw in the hoof wall, which of course everyone probably saw on big brown-it's like a hangnail in a human, only in this case, a horse is putting about two hundred and fifty pounds on the hoof. it can get pretty serious-and a horse can lose time letting one grow out. a horses hoof is actually made of the same tissue as a fingernail-he basically stands on an evolved toe nail--horses used to have toes, now they stand on tiptoe on the one toe they have left.

ouch:)
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...sportCat=horse

Yeah thats a good write up. They got what they had coming

It was a great day to watch racing, and Big Brown was a nice story in at least a few ways.

Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Secretariat, Citation and the other Triple Crown Winners before them, would agree.

And, Jim McKay's work as narrator capsulizing "The Jewels of The Triple Crown," remains a complete work tonight.....

I wonder if they are toasting with champagne like the '72 Dolphins..
they should be

"He tried real good today, babe. He's a good horse who is always really good. He worked real good, looked real good....Nick's horse was just more good today......babe"

Today was just another reminder of why this game is so phucking great.

Agreed.....


I was curious though Andy if you saw the footage of BB losing his mind earlier in the day in his stall. He seemed incredibly rank and yet not a word from any of the heads about it.

Where would I have seen the footage.

A long, hot, and eventually beautiful day.

I think his ex. rider said he was rank in his last workout too. . . but nobody seemed to think it was a big deal.

really?

I thought he broke awkwardly , but was ok in the stall

Having not seen Belmont since 1989 I was assuming you saw the feed on the ABC/ESPN monitor that I saw when I happen to glance up while betting the 8th at Belmont. I assumed the simulcast monitors would have shown you what I saw. Somebody else here must have seen that clip as it was pretty scary stuff given the time and event to follow.

I was at Belmont for 10 hours today in 147 degree heat and humidity.....I was lucky I wasn't halucinating.

Or....was I? Did my man Nick actually trash Big Brownout with Da Tara....or do we have a twelfth TC winner ( like a lot of former posters guaranteed )?

I did see that, he was going nuts in his new stall.

That was one hell of a 'foregone conclusion'...

I love the fact that Dutrow had to eat his words. The Karma Police arrested that man, he talks in maths, he buzzes like a fridge, he's like a detuned radio...

Congrats to Nick Zito and connections on playing the spoiler, again. Had BB have earned those TC victories against last year's crop, I'd have rooted for him today. I was actually in shock when Desormeux was pressing on his horse when others were sitting chilly and gaining.

:D
For a minute there, I lost myself.

And somewhere -- wherever the racing gods live -- there was unabated laughter at this comeuppance. Karma's a bitch, babe, and so is the Triple Crown.

I guess Barbaro, Eight Bells, and countless others must have been deserving of "bad karma"

no, there's horrible things that happen in racing, like the above, and there's bad karma. dutrow is definitely a victim of the latter, thankfully big brown is not a victim of the former.

Huh??? These horses died from "excessive heart" disease a condition caused by competing to such an extreme that their lives would be the penalty. BB may have that heart but hasn't had to completely empty his tank when a result was in doubt.

Dutrow just sucks the heart from the game and all that is good about it and for that my friend eternal warmth will one day be his very own.

The next time tricky ricky wins with a horse off the claim with a 2-3 month layoff ask yourself why the price is so short and the percentage so high and you'll have your answer why Dutrow deserves to relive every moment of yesterdays 11th from Big Sandy every single day of his miserable life.

ESPN interviewed Bill Mott earlier in the day about having trained Boundary. He said that Boundary had similar foot problems and was sure that BB's issues were hereditary.

Aside from the obvious distain for the trainer/connections, the Gods may have been making a point to get the attention of the Breeders, in particular Three Chimineys, who reportedly inked a 50 million dollar agreement w/ IEAH before the race....

Exactly my same thoughts...

I understand all that. What I was wondering is why a quarter crack is worse than a grabbed quarter. My guess is that it's not always worse. It probably just depends on the severity of each. If one horse grabs a quarter badly and takes a huge chunk out of his foot, that would probably be much worse than a minor quarter crack. But if a horse slightly grabs a quarter, that's not going to be a big deal compared to a bad quarter crack.

That would be my guess, but I'm not positive. That's why I was asking Chuck. I do know that in the case of Touch Gold as compared to BB, Hofmans said that the grabbed quarter was nothing compared to BB's quarter crack.