Please let us know how much faster a colt runs when whipped slashed and urged? A tired horse can be urged to extend himself for a few more yards beyond his mental and physical make up a fresh colt loaded with run isnt going to sprout wings because some yahoo jock cracks him on the ass or finishes him out.. Perhap you and or your connections should review less Xrays and watch more race replays....

I am absolutely sure that if I live to be 1000 years old, I will never read anything funnier than this post here.











Unless she decides to post again.

You know if she gets together with the 9 for 9 guy they would as FMO likes to say be "perfect together"

104 Beyer for yesterday's performance.

Here are horses that I have put up on the board that I picked off of their maiden wins to be good/great horses.

Lady Joanne
Welcome Inn (stakes winner)
Day Pass (stakes winner)
Rags to Riches (only had one reply to that post)(said she was the best filly that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Curlin(said that he was one of the best horses that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Ravel
Zada Belle
Indyanne

You can find all of this information in various posts throughout the years.

I haven't given out that many. Just a few. I don't like to give the horses out anymore because my knowledge in this area isn't appreciated. Now, I only throw one out there every once in awhile. Big Brown=monster. Now watch it all unfold in the next couple of months. Call me a novice all you want to. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. I'm not the one that was completely wrong about Lawyer Ron. I have never been wrong like that about a horse's talent. Winning particular races...yes. But, not with overall talent.

Any idiot can see a horse run a fast race and declare " this is a good horse. " That kind of insight is useless.

Now, I'm confused. How did we find that Bernie did in fact run as fast as he could in all his races? Based on some of your previous comments that Bernie got a horrendous trip in the BC, I assumed that it would follow that he was good enough to have won with a better timed trip.

You would be my hero if you were able to post maiden winners who BSF are 95 or greater and who are going to be Frogs.. Then I could trim your roses with pleasure...

Were there a lot of people that were NOT impressed by Curlin's debut?

This is crazy. I am pretty sure that I thought Discreet Cat was going to be good after his debut too. Same with Artie Schiller.

When horses run really fast, you can sometimes recognize that they did so? Congratulations.

Why do you insist on making every thread you participate in about you and your "record?" It is really tiresome and no longer even entertaining.

That is true. But, not very many can do it when the horses don't run fast times or have that great of Beyers first time out...at least, not that I have ever seen.

This was the case with some of the horses that I named. I threw them out there, and you won't find one horse that I picked out off their maiden win and posted on this board where that horse didn't turn out to be really good.

Where was everyone else saying that Rags to Riches was a great filly off of her maiden win? I had just one reply to that thread. Just one. No one else was even talking about her at the time.

And sometimes good Beyers and fast times don't mean anything first time out. Beyers are often wrong, and tracks often play faster sometimes than others.

Or like when I said on my show after Cool Coal Man finished fourth in his debut that he could go on to be a stakes winner.

It is only in seeing what isn't obvious that is useful.

Who is better in your opinion. Who would you take...Big Brown or War Pass?

Jesustapdancingcrist

Come on, BTW, who is going to end up being the better horse in your opinion? It's not that hard...just two horses...War Pass or Big Brown? Take a stand.

OMFG.. Rosie the FN colt won a 7f comeback in stylish fashion and you are mentioning him with WP? Can he beat a graded winner first or how about a two turn race?

War Pass.


I'm a shark...

Chicken of the Sea

The best handicappers can do it quite easily, and BTW is one of the best. It is not that hard to compare horses like these.

And it wasn't a 7f race. It was a mile.

I am challenging him. Let's see who is right.

Huh?

Sweet Jesus you're insufferable.

However, I commend those who have the energy to actually respond to all this nonsense, I tend to not even be able to gather the gusto to have a go at it.

You are right about the mile...No accuses should have realized that..I had his 7f split on my brain which was around the same as the other two nice colts that ran earlier on the card...nobody is suggesting he isn't any good... we are suggesting that you keep your panties on a little longer before you build a statue of the BB and mount it at GP

Oh my god, this is amazing in so many ways.

I am relentless and competitive. I put my opinions out there. I am not afraid to take a stand. I am very confident about this. I find it funny that he won't. It's just comparing two horses' abilities.

Come on BTW, if I'm such a novice at this, if I'm so wrong and bad with this, why won't you take a stand?

You don't take a stand.

You regurgitate the obvious.

It's okay. It happens to everyone.

I just recognize him for what he is....

Not getting my panties in a bunch, and certaintly not ready to build any statue. He's even been having issues as suggested by the long layoff.

I have taken a stand, just as I did a year ago with you concerning another horse. Now, what is yours? Do you agree with me or disagree? Who is the better horse?

So if WP develops a quarter crack tomorrow and misses 6 months you are a genius? It's Fn horses .. WP hasn't done anything wrong as is extremely fast how the heck do you know what he is...he could be SSlew for all we know.. shut up and cheer for them both to be great. Why does anyone have to guess who will be better? As for who is better so far its a ridiculous question WP has been AWESOME

No, it's only if they race each other.

It isn't who has been better so far. It is who is the more talented horse. When they meet up, who will win. What handicapper doesn't have to make decisions like this all the time?

From Dick DOwney site:

Ramon said that this horse is very unique because he feels like he’s falling asleep on you down the backside. ...”--Richard Schosberg

“He’s very unique; as big as he is, he does as little as he has to. He is very responsive, though, when you ask him to go. He’ll give you one big stride and then turn himself off."--Ramon Dominguez

DOes this sound like a horse that...What the heck did Kentucky say? He runs on his own?

I once asked Clint Glaibraith trainer of the one greatest Standard breds Niatross who was the better of the two colts he trained Niatross or Call for Rain... he laughed at me said "Niatross was way faster but he would have loved to take Call for Rain a long side and challenge him because he was the toughest SOB he had ever ridden" in other words he had no clue who would win on any given day..

Yet you seem to know who is better from watching a colt for the second time.. congrats

Is this the same idiot who had Champ EL 45 lengths off the pace and cost the horse any chance of winning?

I didn't say that. Everyone else said that. Not me. This excerpt says exactly what I said. The horse wasn't all out down the stretch because the jock didn't ask him. He never asked him. He was holding him back.

Um, what about Derby futures?

How about handicapping in general? When isn't a handicapper trying to assess and analyze one horse's talent and ability from another when they are entered in the same race?

Apples and oranges? I think not. I don't have a clue what I am talking about...oh, how odd, that's all I ever get on this board, and I think it is very funny coming from someone who says that we are talking about apples and oranges. Analyzing ability and talent is a large part of handicapping, and that is what comparing War Pass and Big Brown is all about. How is it not? What about the Derby future wagers?

My questions won't get answered.

Big Brown is in the increasingly appetizing "All other 3yo" option in the Derby future pool.

You haven't set a distance for the race or said who else would be in the field. Without that info there is absolutely no handicapping you can do. Plus we are comparing a runaway winner in an off the turfer to a proven stakes horse.