Now that the blinkers have been worn by KNS, I got an "ewww" when I suggested she try them on again before the next KNS race.

Were you drinking early today?

Listen to your fearless leader, Mr. Byk, if someone lost their mind, and claimed her for 50, Chuck and Steve should be anointed your own personal saviors.

She ran a winning race today, and with Chuck there's no reason she won't run one next time, so please concentrate on running her where she can win.

She's all girl :)

See her little finger? You're wrapped around it, Daddy ;)

I had forgotten you had such a way with words.

Thanks again to all! Today was a blast. Didn't see her in the post parade, was she late? Had so much fun watching the race- it's hard to explain- but definitely my favorite race ever. Happy to be a small part of Dee Tee. Way to go KNS! A lot of horses would have quit with that trip. In fact there was a point in deep stretch that for 1 second I thought she was going to finish off the board, then she exploded and nearly won!

By the way, she looked fantastic today.


Can't Wait for 08!

don't know how many have seen the head-on view. i think she got a good ride considering all the trouble she had. top of the stretch KNS tried to follow the #7 through a hole but it closed and she kept her nose in there. then was pinched between the #7 on the outside and the #1 on the inside and still didn't back down. our nervous girl showed some real guts today! we can't wait to see her run again. GREAT job team Simon!

I wasn't faulting the ride, anytime you can save ground on the turf it's a good thing. Sometimes you just need a little luck and she didn't get it. IMO she was the best in the race today- maybe next time.:rolleyes:

So you don't think with continued improvement she could win one of those garbage 45k stakes races they run at hilarious tracks. I do. Maybe I am wrong, that is why I bother you all the time with hilarious questions :)

I think you should be concentrating on taking advantage of her NW2L condition and then take it from there. I wish all of you the best of luck, and hope she improves dramatically, but at this point she's a mid level claimer at best. But, an excellent claim for $20K.

I applaud Chuck for finding the horse. When I looked at her pps earlier today I was impressed. Always good to claim someone you're confident you can improve upon.

I may be wrong, and I don't want to burst your bubble, but I doubt you'll be receiving owners treatment on Bev D day.

LOL! Bev D day, I love it. I wasn't putting her even in Grade 3 company, YET!!!

I am too much of an optimist sometimes.

Had nothing but trouble, had to be checked twice and still closed like a bandit...

http://www.tampabaydowns.com/DailyReplays.aspx

it sure doesn't hurt to dream. this time last year most of us never thought we'd own even a piece of a race horse, let alone 4!

Being a dreamer only get you so far, it is acting on those dreams.

if I was there today I would have gotten her up, a quick wink at Rosemary and she would have wanted to get back to the barn real quick

She wouldn't have needed to get to the barn.....they usually have a stall reserved for vomiting in the jock's room.

EASY!!! I know I left myself open there but COME ON!!! LOW BLOW, for me and the jockeys!!

Nah - still just kind of green....

You remind me a lot of a partner I used to have. Nice guy, a fun time to be with at the track, and a legendary handicapper in his own mind.

He used to second-guess every horse I claimed for us, and then after we'd get one that would win first or second time out, he'd start perusing the condition books for stakes races - all over the country. Since we typically claimed in the $5k to $15k levels in Maryland, and never had a lot of capital, it wasn't logical to find stakes at Hoosier for our newest $7.5k claimer/winner. But it never stopped him.

He eventually wore me down as a manager and we parted company after 4 years of sharing a lot of win photos. It was a good day when he told me he was leaving the partnership. He's out on his own and has done ok managing his own deal.

While I hope he learned a little from me during our time as partners, one thing for sure he never learned to do as an owner - to relax. The horses always told us where they wanted to go and usually ran their poorest when we'd get a stupid attack and run them over their heads.

Relax.....

Very true, green is perfect. I'll straighten out. I just want good things to happen to the good people involved.

It's late, I'm tired, and I couldn't resist. You tossed me the perfect alley oop.....and at my size you have to slam them down when you can.

Great race! watched with Ralph & Fatty the bartender (Howie had a colonoscopy appointment). Even Joe the owner was impressed. Didn't think the odds would be that low, but covered all the bases and cashed tickets in all the exotics. Next time out in this class....4/5 or less! We've been really blessed with both runners, 7 starts with 4 runner-up spots.....can't ask for anymore than that! Great job Chuck, TC & the girls.

Super replay. Tx much. KNS was the best and ran a brave race. As a fan of KNS I'd say have patience. Chuck will guide her to the right spots at the right time.

just watched the race vid,,thats a real powerhouse horse!
KICKIN ASS AND SCREAMIN

i agree, we need to stay where we belong with her, and move thru the condition book. definitely an excellent claim for 20k. some may disagree, but i wouldn't have shed a tear had she gotten claimed yesterday. she's turning out to be a nice one, but her helping us to get a nicer one would be great!

happening already my friend! enjoy it.

Not at all. If someone wanted to hand Dee Tee a 50k check yesterday, we would all wish KNS well and there would've been a party (and Chuck would be on the lookout for our next horse).

That's a big part of the fun of being involved in a "public" horse. We can all speculate, argue and throw in our two cents.

Luckily, we have Steve and Chuck to lend some levity to the situation and do the right thing by the horse. In the meantime, we can all debate her merits and enjoy the ride.

my daughter asked yesterday 'what is she gets claimed?' i told her i'd do a happy dance, and wait with eager anticipation to see what chuck found for us with mo money.

You are absolutely correct!! But, based on my experience, it can also be a nightmare for a manager, especially when you are dealing with new owners. Sometimes, when the newbies don't completely have a grasp of things, expectations get whack and it makes it hard to manage.

I'm pleased to see some here acknowledging a claim wouldn't have been a bad thing yesterday. Cash is king when you own claimers and there's nothing wrong with turning over horses and making $$'s in the process. A $30k capital appreciation would have been something to be proud of - that's a big part of succeeding in the claiming game.

If ANY horse gets claimed at Tampa for 50k it is front page news.

It is more of a 5k track

Ok I need to be educated.
I have just watched the replay.

Coming into the 2nd turn and then into the 2nd turn the 7 horse cleared KNS who was rail all the way. Daylight was present to the outside but then closed. imo there was plenty of time to leave the rail but KNS stayed...

Help me here?

I know we of course like to save ground but the horse a ton left. No move to the outside on the turn because it was likely horses would tire and an opening was certain to occur?

So much left is the only reason I am asking.

Help me here. Not meaning to 2nd guess, just need some reasoning.
I thought the trip was great and when I watched the replay I was thinking there is the opening... perfect timing... but "we" stayed rail. Then of course it got very tough after that. But a wonderful finish.

You don't move a horse outside into or while in a turn when you've "got" horse under you and you've been saving ground with intent. The reasoning is that the tiring horse(s) ahead of you will bear out OFF THE TURN as they tire and open the rail where you've been in the catbird seat because you have horse.

The tiring horse in front of KNS and Rosie couldn't even make it to the top of the stretch before tiring and started to back up surprisingly early. Especially given the fractions to three-quarters. Rosemary had no choice but to wait until a seam developed and hope that there wasn't too much ground to make up once in the open. Unfortunately, there was..

But you don't 'give up' your rail position because you think 'there may be trouble later'... It's easy to say "that was the place to move" after the fact when you know what happened a quarter of a mile later..

Now see this is what is interesting because it was not after the fact. While watching the race I said to myself holy !!!! a little daylight, now the move. I expected it while watching the race before I knew there would be trouble. I had no idea where the trouble was going to occur.

But I do understand the idea of the tired turf horses bearing out unable to hold a tight turn while weakened and then moving past on the inside instead of swinging wide.

Thanks.

Don't try and project your ability for rational thought on jockeys! :p

Congrats to all of Kickn's connections. I have a feeling about this filly. I told Genuine that the other day. She ran a VERY nice race.

Chuck, you must be doing something right! Sorry I wasn't able to meet up with you all in Tampa. I have been taking too much time off from work lately so I didn't feel right about asking for another day off.

I hope I get to see her run someday.

Even though the fractions were not terribly quick,
still looks like the horse can run for a long time.

And jocks are always being second guessed.
You get put in a position that is not entirely
expected, just bad luck.

I understand the difficulty in making split second
decisions. For all I know the opening I saw would
have been so wrong as to have the
horse finishing well off the pace instead of the
fine display of staying power we got to witness.

I wont even get on a horse anymore.
Still nice to learn what the thought process is
and I understand.

When you are 6 the best you dont need to save ground

R,

Hard to know she was that beforehand based on what there was to go on..

Check Byk's vacation hours! Turning into a night owl in one week...

It was a great spot for her Chuck, you are the man!

Steve

She was so clearly the best its hard for even observers to swallow. Im a jockey basher by nature, I cant control myself.

Looks like the stable is creeping up on the ever elusive maiden breaker. Even the people who arent involved want to see success, so hopefully she gets a clean run next time.

The winner didn't exactly get a clean trip either though. KNS runs wide and the winner winds up in her spot on the rail and gets through and we get beat. It was just bad luck with the 1 backing up sor early and considering it means we can still run back at this same level next out where she should be ready for a huge race, it could turn out to be a blessing.