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randallscott35 03-11-2007 11:13 AM

You're nuts grtis but I will now have a column for that as well....By the time this is over I will be charting Gray horses that get in the exacta.

Grits 03-11-2007 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
You're nuts grtis but I will now have a column for that as well....By the time this is over I will be charting Gray horses that get in the exacta.

Man, deliver me. Add it in.

Not a thing nuts about me. I swear I've seen two people on this board with a sense of humor. Pillow Pants and GCK, or whatever those initials were. You guys need to laugh now and then. geez.

brianwspencer 03-11-2007 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Man, deliver me. Add it in.

Not a thing nuts about me. I swear I've seen two people on this board with a sense of humor. Pillow Pants and GCK, or whatever those initials were. You guys need to laugh now and then. geez.

I'm still trying to figure out if you're joking with all of the requests, like just to see how far Randall would go. Just to see how many things he would incorporate in.

Which in itself would be cruel and entertaining, so I hope that's not what you're doing :D

Grits 03-11-2007 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I'm still trying to figure out if you're joking with all of the requests, like just to see how far Randall would go. Just to see how many things he would incorporate in.

Which in itself would be cruel and entertaining, so I hope that's not what you're doing :D

I don't jack people around, Brian. Like,--that's ugly. Though, if I did, it sure would have, not one thing to do with a horseracing wagering study.

So, if RS likes, knock yourself out bud, sift through pages and pages for a tally of races, at end. Anything with definition and purpose has background and base. That's served me well in business, thus far.

pmacdaddy 03-11-2007 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Man, deliver me. Add it in.

Not a thing nuts about me. I swear I've seen two people on this board with a sense of humor. Pillow Pants and GCK, or whatever those initials were. You guys need to laugh now and then. geez.

There's nothing funny about statistics.

Grits 03-11-2007 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
There's nothing funny about statistics.

Let me explain, the comment came upon the heels of my discussion regarding gathering data, clinical trials and Viagra.

No more humor, I understand now, forgive my stab.

pmacdaddy 03-11-2007 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Let me explain, the comment came upon the heels of my discussion regarding gathering data, clinical trials and Viagra.

No more humor, I understand now, forgive my stab.

I was just kidding...

I am enjoying your contest and look forward to seeing how it shakes out.

Pat

Grits 03-11-2007 01:25 PM

Good to go, Pmac. I can handle kidding. It's unkindness that rips me.

randallscott35 03-11-2007 01:28 PM

Grits, I find you funny, I don't think you are funny. There is a difference. I want my Jack Daniels with a nice written card from you in Toga when I win.

Grits 03-11-2007 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Grits, I find you funny, I don't think you are funny. There is a difference. I want my Jack Daniels with a nice written card from you in Toga when I win.

'scuse me? Run that one by me again.

randallscott35 03-11-2007 02:48 PM

TODAY

Aqueduct: Race 6--PL: 50.00 (How would you feel betting an 82-1 shot and getting nothing Grits?)

Grits 03-11-2007 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
TODAY

Aqueduct: Race 6--PL: 50.00 (How would you feel betting an 82-1 shot and getting nothing Grits?)

G.T.H. (I'll let you figure that one out.) You're such a dog. And you drink Tennessee whiskey to boot.

randallscott35 03-11-2007 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
G.T.H. (I'll let you figure that one out.) You're such a dog. And you drink Tennessee whiskey to boot.

Woof Woof. I prefer Tanquerey, but Whiskey from the Southern girl just seems to make sense.

randallscott35 03-11-2007 04:01 PM

What a freaking blood bath for you today Grits.

Payson Dave 03-11-2007 04:21 PM

I was gonna comment earlier that the place wagers were doing pretty good today....but I've learned somewheres along the way to not start counting the money til after the last hand has been played...:D :D

Grits 03-11-2007 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Woof Woof. I prefer Tanquerey, but Whiskey from the Southern girl just seems to make sense.

Good, because I'll not get that close to another bottle of gin. I don't care what names' on the label.

I'll tell you a liquor story from Kentucky, where they're known for their fine bourbons. And you could say it's about free enterprise, as well.

Every year, Keeneland runs the Maker's Mark Mile. It's huge doings, to all those folks around Lexington. In conjunction with the race, Keeneland has "signings" for Maker's Mark Gold Commemorative Edition numbered bottles.

Around 3 or 4 years ago, the Seattle Slew signing was scheduled with Karen and Mickey Taylor, and Jean Cruget beginning at a tick after daylight in the a.m. Well, folks lined up on the apron well before sunrise, lunatics that they are, and WAITED in the cold, in the dark. (I don't do that for anybody, much less the Taylor's.)

Because this was SLEW, you couldn't find a bottle of Maker's Mark within 50 miles of Lexington. Days before the signing, everyone was sold out. I drove to the country, straight up Paris Pike, couldn't find so much as one bottle and I had told someone I'd get them one.

I kept driving and finally stopped, one store owner told me, "damn, I wish I had some more, I could sell every single bottle I could get my hands on."

My wheels started turning and I got to thinking, I'm gonna help this man out. There's no racing today, Keeneland's dark. Hell, I don't have anything else going on, and its a gorgeous day.

So, I got in my car, and drove an hour west. Those folks living in Louisville, they could care less about anything going on in Lexington. They think they're much more Metropolitan than old blueblood Lexington. (And they are.)

Anyway, I motor on west, take the exit off the freeway and walk into one of Louisville's biggest liquor stores and, WHAT to my surprise!!!

Lord have mercy, I counted 52 of those Maker's Mark Gold bottles sittin' right there on and end counter, waitin' for Karen and Mickey Taylor. I opened my cellphone, called my new friend--the one that'd told me an hour earlier how bad he needed more of that whiskey--we struck a deal.

I bought every single bottle they had. They even loaded it in the trunk of my vehicle. Nice people too.

My friend, riding along with me for this short trip, she and I laughed ourselves senseless. The turn-around wasn't Derby time, 2:04 flat, or anything like that. It was more like 3 hours; still, it was one helluva trifecta that made a dark day a blast, and a three week vacation FREE. I made a killing. Can you imagine intelligent folks paying $50 for a bottle of booze? I know . . . I have too, but when you have so many and somebody needs 'em. Its a hoot.

Two southern women, together, when enterprising and helping others, can have more fun than drunk sailors on leave. LOLOLOL

randallscott35 03-11-2007 05:15 PM

I have no idea what that message was about. Are you high?

Sightseek 03-11-2007 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Good, because I'll not get that close to another bottle of gin. I don't care what names' on the label.

I'll tell you a liquor story from Kentucky, where they're known for their fine bourbons. And you could say it's about free enterprise, as well.

Every year, Keeneland runs the Maker's Mark Mile. It's huge doings, to all those folks around Lexington. In conjunction with the race, Keeneland has "signings" for Maker's Mark Gold Commemorative Edition numbered bottles.

Around 3 or 4 years ago, the Seattle Slew signing was scheduled with Karen and Mickey Taylor, and Jean Cruget beginning at a tick after daylight in the a.m. Well, folks lined up on the apron well before sunrise, lunatics that they are, and WAITED in the cold, in the dark. (I don't do that for anybody, much less the Taylor's.)

Because this was SLEW, you couldn't find a bottle of Maker's Mark within 50 miles of Lexington. Days before the signing, everyone was sold out. I drove to the country, straight up Paris Pike, couldn't find so much as one bottle and I had told someone I'd get them one.

I kept driving and finally stopped, one store owner told me, "damn, I wish I had some more, I could sell every single bottle I could get my hands on."

My wheels started turning and I got to thinking, I'm gonna help this man out. There's no racing today, Keeneland's dark. Hell, I don't have anything else going on, and its a gorgeous day.

So, I got in my car, and drove an hour west. Those folks living in Louisville, they could care less about anything going on in Lexington. They think they're much more Metropolitan than old blueblood Lexington. (And they are.)

Anyway, I motor on west, take the exit off the freeway and walk into one of Louisville's biggest liquor stores and, WHAT to my surprise!!!

Lord have mercy, I counted 52 of those Maker's Mark Gold bottles sittin' right there on and end counter, waitin' for Karen and Mickey Taylor. I opened my cellphone, called my new friend--the one that'd told me an hour earlier how bad he needed more of that whiskey--we struck a deal.

I bought every single bottle they had. They even loaded it in the trunk of my vehicle. Nice people too.

My friend, riding along with me for this short trip, she and I laughed ourselves senseless. The turn-around wasn't Derby time, 2:04 flat, or anything like that. It was more like 3 hours; still, it was one helluva trifecta that made a dark day a blast, and a three week vacation FREE. I made a killing. Can you imagine intelligent folks paying $50 for a bottle of booze? I know . . . I have too, but when you have so many and somebody needs 'em. Its a hoot.

My friend, she and I laughed ourselves senseless. Two southern women, together, when enterprising and helping others, can have more fun than drunk sailors on leave. LOLOLOL

Isn't that the truth.

Grits 03-11-2007 06:46 PM

HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!!


I've seen the totals, and it's a real bad. Couldn't get much worse with 1 horse paying $50 and another paying $36. That's just two, Houston.

randallscott35 03-11-2007 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!!


I've seen the totals, and it's a real bad. Couldn't get much worse with 1 horse paying $50 and another paying $36. That's just two, Houston.

You smelled the front. And then I let him out a bit.

randallscott35 03-11-2007 07:17 PM

DAY FOUR MARCH 11, 2007 Carryover PLACE BETTING +$11.40

Finally an active day.

Gulfstream: Race 1-- PL: 13.60
Gulfstream: Race 2-- PL: 11.80 + 11.80
Gulfstream: Race 3-- PL: 10.40
Gulfstream: Race 5-- PL: 10.20
Gulfstream: Race 7-- PL: 14.00
Gulfstream: Race 9-- PL: 14.60
Gulfstream: Race 10-- PL: 14.20


Aqueduct: Race 4--PL: 15.40
Aqueduct: Race 5--PL: 12.80
Aqueduct: Race 6--PL: 50.00 (How would you feel betting an 82-1 shot and getting nothing Grits?)
Aqueduct: Race 8--PL: 10.20

Santa Anita:Race 5--PL: 14.60
Santa Anita:Race 8--PL: 36.00
Santa Anita:Race 10-- PL: 8.00 EX: 37.80

TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $240.40 PL $461.60
DIFFERENTIAL: PL +$221.20


Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (33)
Total Exactas so far: 5

Total Races So Far--111

Grits 03-11-2007 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
You smelled the front. And then I let him out a bit.

That's crass. I don't do crass, but on rare occasion.

randallscott35 03-11-2007 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
That's crass. I don't do crass, but on rare occasion.

I honestly didn't mean it to be...that's the funny thing.

Grits 03-11-2007 07:47 PM

Anyone every heard the standard, "Cry Me A River"? It's a beautiful song and tonight, it's either that or the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem.

The two huge ones are exceedingly rare gifts. Dig deep chasing more like those and see how long you stay afloat. Folks do it daily.

I hold a strong belief, and I have been chastised for doing so, repeatedly. I'll not change my mind on this still. --If one is interested in chasing longshots, the day to go after them is on Sunday. I'm a fervent believer in this.

I'm glad your shots ran well today Randall. I'll just lie here in wait.

Rest well.

paisjpq 03-11-2007 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Anyone every heard the standard, "Cry Me A River"? It's a beautiful song and tonight, it's either that or the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem.

The two huge ones are exceedingly rare gifts. Dig deep chasing more like those and see how long you stay afloat. Folks do it daily.

I hold a strong belief, and I have been chastised for doing so, repeatedly. I'll not change my mind on this still. --If one is interested in chasing longshots, the day to go after them is on Sunday. I'm a fervent believer in this.

I'm glad your shots ran well today Randall. I'll just lie here in wait.

Rest well.

I used to sing it every time I performed...a classic.

Grits 03-11-2007 08:05 PM

Pais, you could accommodate me right now.

I love the Classics, so many of them. Speaking of which, I can't believe no one has figured my song lyrics in name that tune, though this doesn't go quite that far back, its probably been covered as much as any song ever.

randallscott35 03-12-2007 04:04 PM

DAY FIVE MARCH 12, 2007 Carryover PLACE BETTING +$221.20

You want a buyout--two Sam Adams drafts at the Spa?

Gulfstream: Race 1-- PL: 10.80
Gulfstream: Race 2-- PL: 90.40
Gulfstream: Race 4-- PL: 24.00
Gulfstream: Race 6-- PL: 21.20
Gulfstream: Race 8-- PL: 20.60



TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $240.40 PL $628.60
DIFFERENTIAL: PL +$388.20

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (38) (Just 15% of the contest done-don't fret Grits)
Total Exactas so far: 5



Total Races So Far--120

The Empire Continues to Strike Back

Grits 03-12-2007 07:04 PM

Now, you have to know there ain't a snowball's chance in hell that you would've picked a longshot to win anything remotely close to those odds and paying $310. And in all liklihood, if you've been 'capping as long as you say you have, you wouldn't have had either one of those high price place prices of yesterday either. I've never seen happen--what happened at GP today, which means, it don't come around to often, sweetheart.

INSTANCES, son INSTANCES as you call them.

Now, if you wanna talk to me about the Javier Negrete horse in the 2nd race that went off at 133/1, we'll chat. (The very trainer that I spoke of last night in another thread, the one I've been watching.) His horse ran third paying $37.80 for the show, after leading all the way to the top of the stretch, where he gave way and crossed the wire 4 lengths back to the 1st and 2nd horse.

And by the way that shot only got that chalk by a jump.

Maybe Andy had a tri with All/10/All or All/10/8 I sure hope so, after all the crap he caught in the last 24 hours. Man, no one needs such stuff.

If we have another day on Wednesday like the last couple, I'll cut both wrists, lay down and bleed out. And please . . . see that I'm buried in the Bahamas, next plot over from Anna Nicole. I'll welcome the overflow, maybe a few flowers'll blow my way.

HERE LIES GRITS.

Payson Dave 03-14-2007 02:36 PM

What is the latest tally with these two strategies...???

Grits 03-14-2007 02:47 PM

Above in the blue letters, and I've no idea what going down at GP this afternoon. I probably should not look until the day's card is over.

Antitrust32 03-14-2007 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Above in the blue letters, and I've no idea what going down at GP this afternoon. I probably should not look until the day's card is over.

not looking too good for you today at GP so far. Its been longshot central over there lately. craziness... I dont remember seeing tracks like this in forever.

Antitrust32 03-14-2007 03:27 PM

there was a nice exacta at aqueduct though today.. might make up a little (but I think GP place prices are still more for the day)

randallscott35 03-14-2007 06:47 PM

DAY SIX MARCH 14, 2007 Carryover PLACE BETTING +$388.20

Aqueduct: Race 6-- PL: 10.40 EX: 63.00

Gulfstream: Race 1-- PL: 5.80
Gulfstream: Race 3-- PL: 13.80
Gulfstream: Race 5-- PL: 22.60 + 27.40
Gulfstream: Race 6-- PL: 15.80
Gulfstream: Race 9-- PL: 11.80
Santa Anita: Race 2-- PL: 7.20 EX: 18.60
Santa Anita: Race 3-- PL: 11.00
Santa Anita: Race 6-- PL: 11.20



TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $322.00 PL $765.60
DIFFERENTIAL: PL +$443.60

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (47) Will Stop=250
Total Exactas so far: 12



Total Races So Far--146

Antitrust32 03-14-2007 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
DAY SIX MARCH 14, 2007 Carryover PLACE BETTING +$388.20

Aqueduct: Race 6-- PL: 10.40 EX: 63.00

Gulfstream: Race 1-- PL: 5.80
Gulfstream: Race 3-- PL: 13.80
Gulfstream: Race 5-- PL: 22.60 + 27.40
Gulfstream: Race 6-- PL: 15.80
Gulfstream: Race 9-- PL: 11.80
Santa Anita: Race 2-- PL: 7.20 EX: 18.60
Santa Anita: Race 3-- PL: 11.00
Santa Anita: Race 6-- PL: 11.20 EX: 70.40 (Fave by a measly 100 bucks)



TOTALS SO FAR: EX- $392.40 PL $765.60
DIFFERENTIAL: PL +$373.20

Total Number of 10-1's or higher in spots 1 or 2: (48) Will Stop=250
Total Exactas so far: 13


Grits-don't spend that 15 bucks in one place today.

Total Races So Far--146

do you at least find it interesting that you hit 5 more bets than her today and she still won more money?

Grits 03-14-2007 07:17 PM

Randall, I think the 6th at Santa Anita is incorrect. The odds on the exacta were $3.10 on the fav. and $9.90 on the second place finisher.

Rules are rules, that's a tick short of a 10/1, that tick being 10 cents.

So, don't you think that $70+ needs to be removed? I do. No gimmees.

Or maybe I'm incorrect, so please check.

Antitrust32 03-14-2007 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Randall, I think the 6th at Santa Anita is incorrect. The odds on the exacta were $3.10 on the fav. and $9.90 on the second place finisher.

Rules are rules, that's a tick short of a 10/1, that tick being 10 cents.

So, don't you think that $70+ needs to be removed? I do. No gimmees.

Or maybe I'm incorrect, so please check.


still 10-1 on the board... but u are right... randall - that means u kicked her ass again today!

brianwspencer 03-14-2007 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
still 10-1 on the board... but u are right... randall - that means u kicked her ass again today!


Nah, the horse would have been 9-1 on the board still.

A 10-1 horse on the board would never pay less than $22.00 even. This horse would have paid $21.80 and would have showed as 9-1 on the board.

Antitrust32 03-14-2007 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Nah, the horse would have been 9-1 on the board still.

A 10-1 horse on the board would never pay less than $22.00 even. This horse would have paid $21.80 and would have showed as 9-1 on the board.

oh and they dont call you a child prodigy for nothing! :D

brianwspencer 03-14-2007 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
oh and they dont call you a child prodigy for nothing! :D

just think of it this way, the board will never click until the horse reaches at LEAST the number posted.

in NY, where they have twentieths of odds in their system, a horse that is $2.50-1 will show as 5-2 on the board. A horse that is $2.80-1 will still show as 5-2 as will a horse that is $2.95-1. Until the horse actually HITS 3-1, the horse won't be listed as such.

Imagine betting a horse at 3-1 on the board and only getting back $7.60. You'd be pissed :)

I did go to school as a math major ya know :D I just later became a bleeding heart liberal and felt I needed to read more immigrant literature!

Antitrust32 03-14-2007 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
just think of it this way, the board will never click until the horse reaches at LEAST the number posted.

in NY, where they have twentieths of odds in their system, a horse that is $2.50-1 will show as 5-2 on the board. A horse that is $2.80-1 will still show as 5-2 as will a horse that is $2.95-1. Until the horse actually HITS 3-1, the horse won't be listed as such.

Imagine betting a horse at 3-1 on the board and only getting back $7.60. You'd be pissed :)
I did go to school as a math major ya know :D I just later became a bleeding heart liberal and felt I needed to read more immigrant literature!

actually i'd be thrilled that i actually got money back!!!!! :D


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