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Blue Eyes 12-27-2006 06:11 PM

If the media followed Cole Norman or Steve Assmussen around (as much as they did Lukas in his prime), and reported/or kept track of all the horses they break down AND give heart attacks to, their rate would exceed Mr. Lukas' tenfold. They make Wayne look like a saint.

Bold Reasoning 12-28-2006 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
And earlier in this thread, someone -- or perhaps a few people -- mentioned that Lukas places his horse's over their heads.

Do you remember when EVERYONE panned Lukas for running Serena's Song -- one of my favorites, too -- in the Black-Eyed Susan after she was scorched in the Derby after setting grueling fractions? NO ONE thought it was a good idea.

She rolled by nine.

Yes, I remember that. How about running Surfside against the boys in the Clark, thus her winning the Eclipse as best three-year-old filly! I think he has been particularly strong with fillies.

blackthroatedwind 12-28-2006 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
He has been exceptional with fillies at both two and three-year-olds. Numerous times he dominated the BC Juvenile Fillies... one of my favorites was when Flanders and Serena's Song dueled through the Churchill Downs stretch in '94.

"Don't count Flanders out yet!"

What a race!


What was even more exciting about that was the complete disinterest Lukas showed in Flanders after the race when she broke down.

eurobounce 12-28-2006 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
What was even more exciting about that was the complete disinterest Lukas showed in Flanders after the race when she broke down.

What did you want him to do?

blackthroatedwind 12-28-2006 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
What did you want him to do?

Give a **** that his filly just broke down.

But hey, that's just me, a goofy softy.

blackthroatedwind 12-28-2006 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
As soon as I posted, I was waiting for someone to write, "You could count her out immediately after the race," or something like that.


That isn't at all what I said and what I was referring to was a well known incident where Lukas showed callous disregard for his horse's welfare on national TV after she had just broken down. John Veitch, who was commentating, was unimpressed with Lukas's nonchalance as well as I recall.

At least I give Lukas credit for not being a phony.

Sightseek 12-28-2006 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
That isn't at all what I said and what I was referring to was a well known incident where Lukas showed callous disregard for his horse's welfare on national TV after she had just broken down. John Veitch, who was commentating, was unimpressed with Lukas's nonchalance as well as I recall.

At least I give Lukas credit for not being a phony.

Frankel isn't everyone's cup of tea, but one of the reasons I like him is the fact that he has so much emotion over the horses he cares for. Zito is the same way, ask him about a horse under his care and his face lights up.

eurobounce 12-28-2006 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I don't know if Lukas did that or not, because I didn't see it. But you would think a normal reaction would be to run to the horses aid. Like Matz did with Barbaro.

Who is to say what a normal reaction is. Maybe isnt the type of person to rush to aid. Maybe he was stunned. Who knows, but to say that he didnt care without knowing what was going on in his mind is very calous. Who even knows when Lukas knew that Flanders was hurt. The horse wins and gallops out - the last thing on his mind was the possibility of the horse being injured. It wasnt like an injury to Barbaro where the horse was pulled up.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 12-28-2006 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
i'm telling you dahoss, rupe and i have been on opposite sides of this discussion numerous times. nowadays most times i just leave it. he knows what i want, and i know he has failed to produce....

dwl was/is reviled for being so successful. it's drifted away from him for the most part, now many gleefully attack his former pupil, todd pletcher. he's the top dog now, so it's his turn.

pletcher follows in his teachers footsteps nicely and im not referring to the winning which luka$$ hasnt done much of the last 5-6 years for the kinda stock hes had to be well under 20%. im well aware of the farm pletchers relative has where all the cripples are at, he dont give a shiat either just like his former boss

eurobounce 12-28-2006 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
pletcher follows in his teachers footsteps nicely and im not referring to the winning which luka$$ hasnt done much of the last 5-6 years for the kinda stock hes had to be well under 20%. im well aware of the farm pletchers relative has where all the cripples are at, he dont give a shiat either just like his former boss

I was right on the rail about 100 yards from the finish line at the 2006 BC. Pletcher walked right passed me on his way down to see Fleet Indian when she was injured. Pletcher's face was stone cold blank. Simply no emotion at all. The pace of his walk didnt increase, he just calmly walked down to where she was and back. That was all.

GinaIsWild 12-28-2006 11:06 AM

Wayne Lukas is the best thing to ever happen to thoroughbred Racing. He revolutionized the business.

His single greatest accomplishment however was taking a bowed mare and winning a Grade 1 with her off a layoff, after her previous trainer demonized him for even attempting a comeback with a horse she classified as finished. He made her eat those words, and silenced the critics.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 12-28-2006 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jfeld
Wayne Lukas is the best thing to ever happen to thoroughbred Racing. He revolutionized the business.

His single greatest accomplishment however was taking a bowed mare and winning a Grade 1 with her off a layoff, after her previous trainer demonized him for even attempting a comeback with a horse she classified as finished. He made her eat those words, and silenced the critics.


LOL the best thing ever huh? well your entitled to your opinion. my trainers had 3 horses this year coming off bows. 2 won 1st time back and last week the most recent ran 2nd. lord of the game also had a bow and won how many races. this is not uncommon

GinaIsWild 12-28-2006 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
LOL the best thing ever huh? well your entitled to your opinion. my trainers had 3 horses this year coming off bows. 2 won 1st time back and last week the most recent ran 2nd. lord of the game also had a bow and won how many races. this is not uncommon


With all due respect to your Hawthorne connections, turning Azeri around is a much more impressive feat.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 12-28-2006 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jfeld
With all due respect to your Hawthorne connections, turning Azeri around is a much more impressive feat.

i wasnt trying to compare feats lol between claimers and azeri, was just stating it isnt uncommon. by the way are you aware how much talent and heart azeri had before she was layed upLOL? luka$$ didnt bring the talent outta her

GinaIsWild 12-28-2006 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
i wasnt trying to compare feats lol between claimers and azeri, was just stating it isnt uncommon. by the way are you aware how much talent and heart azeri had before she was layed upLOL? luka$$ didnt bring the talent outta her


Lukas MADE her a star. She was finished and he stepped up to the plate, laid those magic hands on her and turned her into the champion she became.


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