Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pine Tree Lane

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

At risk of opening myself up for some more of your lame insults...which I assume I deserved because I disagreed with you....

Are you picking Crimison Saint because of her steller produce record...or do you really believe she be justified as an all-time fastest filly based upon what she did on the race track?

I've seen a lot of film of a lot of great fillies---but never seen any of her races. All I know, about her as a race horse is that she was 7-for-11 and made 91K with one graded stake win.

A horse like Spectacular Bid was 24-for-24 lifetime, between the distances of 7 furlong to 1 1/4 miles, setting MANY track records, and overcoming tremendous adversity in some of those wins (Florida Derby etc.) Yet, he was a rather weak stallion. Would you hold the fact that he was so bad in the breeding shed against him as a race horse?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For those who don't remember Melair.....

She raced only in 1986, winning all five of her lifetime starts, three of them in Graded Stake races.

Melair is most famous for taking on top males in a $400K Grade 2 Stake and DESTROYING them. She won it by 6 1/2 lengths over 8 time champion South American sire Southern Halo. Snow Cheif, who was Champion 3yo male that same year, finished 3rd beaten 11 lengths. The final time for the mile was a supersonic 1:32 4/5. She was just 3/5ths of Dr. Fager's world record.

She also beat Hidden Light in another Stake that year. Those not fimilar with Hidden Light, she won the Gr 1 Santa Anita Oaks, Gr 1 Hollywood Oaks, and Grade 1 Del Mar Oaks that same year, and she's also the dam of Artie Schiller.

While I was only 5 years old when Melair raced...I have seen film of three of her races...and she was an absolute freak.

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I was at Hollywood Park the day she defeated Snow Chief, I went to see him and couldn't believe the performance of Melair, I was in awe. I don't think she ever ran again unfortunately, soundness was an issue with her.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I hope you aren't serious. You make your name on the racetrack. A great actor, president, doctor is as likely to have some mediocre kids as well. Do their accomplishments get diminished by their kids? Nonsense. There is nothing that can be taken away from Spec Bid.

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Here's that maiden race...

Danseuse -vs- Capote Belle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cYWh3cSpUY

Originally Posted by outofthebox

I spent my high school weekends walking horses for D Wayne, and i got to walk Terlingua a few times and Great Lady M also. They were both wicked fast. I agree with Cannon Shell on Pine Tree Lane also. She sent Groovy back to New York with his tail waggin with a 43 half in the 86 BC. Very Subtle also gave Groovy a good ol feminie but whuppin.
Not sure if anyone remembers Ski Goggle, but she was one fast filly too. She was undefeated and shipped out to Belmont to face Princess Rooney in the Acorn i believe, and promtly ran her off her feet.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I remember Pine Tree Lane's debut. I believe it was at Aqueduct in the winter, but it may have been the Fall, and she was owned by Teddy Sabresse and trained by Parisella. Anyway, I was in the OTB on John Street, which was one of the first, if not the first, OTB in Manhattan to show a live video feed. The horses are going to the gate, and mind you this is late 1984 or early 1985, so late odds changes, especially substantial ones, were rare at best, and she went from 7-1 to 9-2.

They didn't even need to run the race.

Originally Posted by War Emblem

A long time ago, Mumtaz Mahal.

http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/MumtazMahal.htm

Originally Posted by outofthebox

I remember Jones Time Machine in California before her New York invasion. She was a fast one too. And getting back to Balletos ATF Crimson Saint. The first horse i ever groomed was Terlinguas baby brother Pancho Villa. Broke his maiden 2nd out paying like a 100 bucks. Then hooked Phone Trick in a nw1. Then we went to Aqueduct and beat Spend a Buck in the Bay Shore. Sorry for rambling, but Crimson Saint not only was fast but threw some fast runners.