No one had the pick 5 yesterday, so it starts with a 44K carryover.

Define "clever" please.

it's still a guaranteed payout.
and i can imagine the howls of outrage had the track done so. unethical at best.

'Opportune' clever..

Always best time to play "Jackpot" type pools......the day or two leading up to mandatory ( while other are saving bullets for the big day, thus eliminating a lot of competition ) and random weekday Off Turf days ( those days seem to make people disinterested in the card).

That said, I am dissappointed that it got taken down, but not shocked at the timing of when it was poached. :(

that must have been agonizing watching that stretch run. can you believe that hoss kept running.


Clever.....what you used to be.
Clever.....what the boss is now.
Clever.....what I think is the beaver's last name.

anything clever today ?

http://www.drf.com/news/horse-owner-...arly-7-million

By the owner of MAGIC JACK

Always nice to see the millionaires get richer :rolleyes:

If the owner of Magic Jack is a millionaire and the Cleveland Browns are worth half a billion dollars than I'm worth $3.5 million at least. Just has to be.

Bio of Dan Borislow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Borislow

Hitting this bet made its way into the Wikipedia Bio. Ha.

Class warfare? Who cares how much money this guy has?

You do realize guys like this often help to create large pools and underlays creating opportunities for the rest of us, right?

It was a ballsy play. He figured correctly that most people would wait for the final day. It was ballsy in that he spent 7 K into a sequence that had a high likelihood to carry and probably would've lost money on a carry.

He spent $15k, not 7.

I have no bitterness for Dan Borislow, but let's not kid ourselves. He made a play that 99% of the wagering public couldn't possibly afford and got incredibly lucky. The stars were aligned for him.

I'm honestly amazed that people are acting like this was some sort of impressive display of handicapping or betting. . . It was a terrible bet, and he was extremely fortunate to be the only deep-pocketed person to try something like that (at least successfully).

It is funny that Gulfstream did all they could to rig the sequences for Sunday and Monday and things worked out exactly the opposite of what they were going for.

If they had only put the other baby race in the sequence, or avoided putting either one in. . .

I completely agree. That money, or the bulk of it, could have just as easily ended up being more money added to the mandatory payout if things didn't go his way.

Someone could go all in every race if they have enough money, it doesn't mean that they will be the sole ticket holder or that they will cash and be profitable off the bet.

In fact if more people did this, the chances are greater that the pools would just get larger for a mandatory payout as opposed to someone taking it down this way.

I think that some don't realize that this may be a benefit going forward. The next time one of these pools gets huge and gets close to a mandatory payout day there will probably be a few whales like the winner or groups that are going to dump a play like this into the day before the payout thinking they can do the same thing. Maybe even a few others will do it two days before or three days before, all of whom are much more likely to either miss or cancel each other out by not being the unique ticket holder.

People should not forget that there were five other horses in the race that would have carried the pot to Monday, two of whom almost beat this wager on the wire. The bet and that $15K would not have looked so great if one of those other two won the bob.

I agree with this.

I also wonder why more people don't make the logical extension that this is not the first time he has made a play like that. I wonder what his Rainbow-6 P&L looked like before Sunday.

It looked pretty good late on Sunday, however!

The rule of thumb, I believe, is that "wildly emotional displays after winning are only proper when the potential winnings equal 10 percent of your annual income."

Annual income, is open for interpretation I suppose. But I've always thought it meant money you make via paycheck from a company.

For instance, if some rich guy from New York City wins the same amount as some chronically unemployed degenerate -- it would be far less acceptable for the guy with the seven-figure net worth to act emotional about it. Where as the virtually unemployed bettor should, in theory, get a little bit of a pass.

Borislow pulled off a great "hit" -- but the people who are acting like it was some genius display of bankroll management, are confusing it with extreme luck, imo.

Borislow is a guy who takes outlandish shots. He paid Jerry Bailey $25,000 to ride his hopeless Talk Is Money in the Kentucky Derby after he blew an easy lead in the Tessio at Pimlico in his final prep, and had been dusted all winter in Florida. Bailey collected the 25k and eased his horse after six furlongs.

Borislow ran ads in the DRF, day after day, trying to argue to Eclipse award voters that Toccet deserved 2yo championship recognition over Vindication -- that was a gross waste of money, because an undefeated Breeders' Cup Juvenile winner will always get that vote.

People laughed at the imbecility of Borislow for paying Bailey 25k to ease his horse. People laughed at the money he wasted in advertising, for a failed bid to make Toccet a 2yo champion. At least, now, he gets the last laugh, for the moment.