Team wins are meaningless in determining whether a pitcher pitched well or not. I don't see any other way around that. Verlander went eight innings and gave up one ER two weeks ago and lost because Dan Haren went nine innings and gave up zero. Does that mean Verlander didn't pitch well in that start? Of course not.

no but,

W L W W W W W W W W

and

W W W W W W W W W W

indicate some damn good pitching... especially when you look at the low scores next to the W.

Verlander and Halladay have been almost mirror images of each other this year. the fact that Halladay gives up one more run per THREE starts doesnt change that, and neither does the fact that Halladays SO / BB ratio is close to double compared to Verlander.

Blonde?

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Or Brunette?

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I have no dog in the fight, but this didn't help your arguement out.

Brunette, in a runaway.

They both look like converted men.

God love her, but I'm pretty sure there's a male appendage on Abby Wambach somewhere. Lou Ferrigno would be psyched to have those guns.

its okay. i certainly gave plenty that did help the arguement.

really???

I actually think Hope Solo is rather attractive. Tobin Heath and Alex Morgan (not to mention Heather Mitts, of course) are also pretty hot.

yeah I dont understand clydes comment about Hope Solo looking like a converted man.

She's beautiful in my opinion. Love the eyes.

Should be a good game today.. I have no clue if France is any good or not (they must be good enough to get this far). Go USA!

Not really. Your entire arguement seemed based on "do you watch games?"

I watch at least a baseball game a night and Verlander has been the most dominant pitcher this year. They are all really good, but his stuff has been unhittable many days.

IMO Halladay and Jurrjens are a toss up. They have both been great. As both teams get healthy it should be a great race down to the wire.

According to fangraphs that is not true

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...n=2011&month=0

Philadelphia has 3 of the top 9 in baseball. There really isnt any question of who has the best rotation when you consider how well Worley has pitched
4-1 with a 2.20 era since Oswalt was hurt. If you include Oswalt and (shckingly) Kendrick how can you possibly deny Philadelphia has the best starters in baseball? Because fat Joe Blanton had 6 bad starts?

And do you seriously think 99% of managers and GMs would take Verlander over Halladay the difference in age not withstanding? Really?

Considering Verlander is six years younger than Halladay, absolutely. How can age be not withstanding when we're talking about building a rotation today? Halladay probably has no more than five years left of above average pitching; Verlander probably has double that.

Anyway, It's not like I'm on some island saying Verlander has eclipsed Halladay as the best pitcher in baseball in 2011:

Tim McCarver just said it the other day (not that his opinion means much).

Gerardo Parra of the Diamondbacks called him the best pitcher in baseball after a start last month.

A CBSSports blog from last month quotes scouts as saying with game seven of the World Series on the line, they'd rather have Verlander on the mound than anybody else.

In any event, does his career match up to Halladay to this point? Absolutely not - Halladay is a 1st ballot HOF-er, as far as I'm concerned. But is he a better pitcher than Halladay today, July 13th, 2011? I think a lot of folks in baseball would probably say yes.

I sort of agree.

really? the arguement was the phillies have the best rotation in baseball.

i dont even know how it is debatable.

halladay just got picked out, because he is the ace of our aces.

just because halladay gives up a few more hits than verlander doesnt make him less dominant. Halladay gives up some singles and has amazing damage control. plus he has a great SO/BB ratio. i just dont see how you can look at the stat lines and say verlander is that much better than halladay. he might have the slightest of edges, but they have been pretty equal. i dont care if halladay is giving up 8 hits when he goes 7-9 innings routinely and gives up 1-2 (sometimes 3) runs.

when cliff lee is at his best, he's probably the most unhittable pitcher in baseball. see the month of June... i've never seen anything like it. one of the best pitching months in the entire history of baseball. he has been slightly inconsistant this season though, still, no complaints.

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Because I actually do watch games and don't just regurgitate stat lines. But I didn't say he was that much better. Just that he has been the most dominant pitcher in baseball this year. If he's 1, then Halladay is 1A if that makes you happy.

I like women that look like women.