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Scav 11-06-2010 12:45 AM

I'm eagerly awaiting Byk's opinion on this, I got it at 1/2 that his head almost exploded as this was unfolding.

dagolfer33 11-06-2010 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 717532)
Sadler was not overly happy with his ride on Tell a Kelly in the Oak Leaf. Bigger reason though was he wanted a rider who's more familiar with Churchill Downs.

As for Switch. Sadler thinks Rosario is better than Quinonez and gave him the best possible chance. John is very refreshing in that way. He's very frank and honest about that kind of stuff. He pulls no punches. If an agent can't deal with that he can't ride for Sadler.

I know Alonso was disapointed when Richard's Kid skipped the classic to point for Dubai. Not a big shock there he's Arab owned.

Were there others?

I think those were the ones, thanks!

v j stauffer 11-06-2010 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 717540)
I think those were the ones, thanks!

No worries.

Kasept 11-06-2010 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 717533)
I'm eagerly awaiting Byk's opinion on this, I got it at 1/2 that his head almost exploded as this was unfolding.

Bewildered Tom.. and then just disappointed how these embarrassments never end for the sport. Tina and I went downstairs for the race, so at ground level and without benefit of TV/audio, didn't know exactly what was going on until later. Here the vets were busy all morning looking for Saturday horses to scratch, but somehow are oblivious to a distressed horse on track that's one of the choices in one of the biggest races of the year. Great.

As I mentioned in a quick recap of yesterday in Selections, bad bookends to the day with some very nice things in between. But no matter how good the best portion of Day 1 was, the humiliating parts of the day will be get the focus (depending on what transpires today of course).

Gate To Wire 11-06-2010 08:01 AM

Steve:
Are you going to be at the track early today?
I would love to get some more insight into what they are doing to it today.
The rolling of the track you described yesterday sure didn't help the closers.

I have been going to the track for 30 years and I have never seen something like Life At Ten happen like that.
We have all had horses run poorly but she didn't run 2 feet.

Thank god I was watching the ESPN telecast and cancelled my bet on her.
She was my lock of the day and would have beaten the Mott filly if healthy.

I know fillies are very prone to tying up but that was too weird to believe. It was like someone TQ'd her before bringing her to the paddock.


Thanks for all the insight this week on the show.....it really helped me get a handle on the early part of yesterday's card.

Linny 11-06-2010 08:40 AM

It reminded me of Big Brown in the Belmont, except BB actually ran for a bit. LAT clearly was out of sorts.

Todd often watches big races from the horseman's office or similar areas. It's not strange. I do however get the impression that he knew LAT was not right but handed her off to JV, somehow washing his hands of her, placing the responsibility for her in John's hands. Yes, JV maybe should have pressed the issue more but he works for Todd and Todd works for the owner and if the two "higher powers" saw fit to send her out, what's he to do?

Vets on track can only do so much. They are looking for lameness, not uncharacteristic demeanor. I'm guessing that none of the vets there had ever seen LAT up close and thus wouldn't know her "typical" behavior.

I liked LAT because she stalked in the Beldame and thought she might get the same trip here, in fact I hoped to see her about where UB was. Inside was not great but I figured some of the speed would separate from the group (as it did) and LAT could ease out a bit.

Kasept 11-06-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Gate To Wire (Post 717584)
Steve: Are you going to be at the track early today? I would love to get some more insight into what they are doing to it today. The rolling of the track you described yesterday sure didn't help the closers.

I have been going to the track for 30 years and I have never seen something like Life At Ten happen like that. We have all had horses run poorly but she didn't run 2 feet. Thank god I was watching the ESPN telecast and cancelled my bet on her. She was my lock of the day and would have beaten the Mott filly if healthy. I know fillies are very prone to tying up but that was too weird to believe. It was like someone TQ'd her before bringing her to the paddock.

Thanks for all the insight this week on the show.....it really helped me get a handle on the early part of yesterday's card.

G2W,

Thanks very much! Always glad to hear that the broadcasts contribute positively. Credit goes to Mig who pointed out that Butch Lehr was clearly tightening the track up.

Not rushing over there this morning actually. First relaxed a.m. in 2 weeks to be honest (though I've been up since 3:30 to get the Selections written.) Tina and I are going to breakfast and then packing up as we want to get to Columbus or so tonight after the races.

In terms of the surface, I'm confident the track will be no less fast than it was yesterday.

What you saw with Life at Ten was very frustrating and disconcerting. Even though the jockey dust-up will get all the publicity, the non SCR reflects much more poorly on the game. The danger to the horse and rider and the rest of the field is of course one part of the problem, but the indignity to horseplayers is inexcusable. We'll see what directions the fallout takes.

Good luck today!

johnny pinwheel 11-06-2010 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell (Post 717246)
I would love to know how much money was bet on her in all of the pools combined. Those thieves took the public's money like a stimulus bill.

got that right....with her out the next obvious horse is the winner...it was a definite bad deal for bettors. i'm glad they care so much about the horse and the betting public...of course i used her ...how could you possibly bet the 3 yo at those odds....blind luck....9-5...lol....lol. we done got screwed by the vets and stewards seeing that unrivalled belle never came within 2 lengths of life at ten (all year)...thanks churchill downs...everyone out there knew there was a problem except the officials. thats just dandy on the biggest day.....lol

Princess Doreen 11-06-2010 10:02 AM

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...m_medium=email

10 pnt move up 11-06-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 717610)
G2W,

What you saw with Life at Ten was very frustrating and disconcerting. Even though the jockey dust-up will get all the publicity, the non SCR reflects much more poorly on the game. The danger to the horse and rider and the rest of the field is of course one part of the problem, but the indignity to horseplayers is inexcusable. We'll see what directions the fallout takes.

Good luck today!

I dont think it does, I think people who play the game are kinda used to this funny business with scratches/non scratches. I would have been MORE shocked had they scratched her.

I also dont think the fight means much to be people who play the game.

Merlinsky 11-08-2010 09:03 PM

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ion-continuing

Indian Charlie 11-08-2010 09:08 PM

^^

I think Life At Ten should win the Eclipse for 3yo champion filly. I think beating older fillies and mares all year should trump what Blind Luck has done.

Duvalier 11-10-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 717671)
I dont think it does, I think people who play the game are kinda used to this funny business with scratches/non scratches. I would have been MORE shocked had they scratched her.

Kind of like the many of horses running at cheap tracks. Alot of those horses should be scratched and not allowed to run...but they are left to continually burn people's betting money on a daily basis.

Princess Doreen 11-10-2010 03:51 PM

I was pretty sure I posted this - Paulick on Life at Ten. If it disappears, I'll know for some reason it's not supposed to appear here. :confused:

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/br...-ten-incident/

Rileyoriley 11-10-2010 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 721612)
I was pretty sure I posted this - Paulick on Life at Ten. If it disappears, I'll know for some reason it's not supposed to appear here. :confused:

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/br...-ten-incident/

Do a search on "Ray Paulick and Life At Ten" and all his blogs will come up.:)

Revidere 11-11-2010 09:38 AM

Here she is in the post parade. I didn't know anything was going on with her, but someone next to me said she looked like she was tranquilized. That is one lifeless filly.


prudery 11-11-2010 01:50 PM

According to the latest Paulick report, the possible " solution " to the LAT incident is to gag the jockey pre-race .

So, a problem in communication is " solved " by cutting off crucial communication .

So much for the responsibility to the welfare of horse and jockey and the wallets of those who wager .

So much for culpability and responsibilty .

Thus if the horse breaks down with your money on its back--everyone gets hurt, and the bureaucratic press machine will call it one those unfortunate things that happen in racing--part of the game .

slotdirt 11-11-2010 02:00 PM

Mind if we gag you pre-post?

Sorry, that was very much low-hanging fruit.

hoovesupsideyourhead 11-11-2010 02:06 PM

i think he was freaked out by the 'mug' on the outrider..yesh eat a lemon before the race?

prudery 11-11-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 721988)
Mind if we gag you pre-post?

Sorry, that was very much low-hanging fruit.

Please agree with that decision .

It is a quality sentiment for horse and wallet .


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