Lying about what? Stop deflecting.

Please provide an example of what you were talking about. Should be easy I would think if it happens so much.

He's a troll. It's not gonna happen.

No, it's not. The Derby is the biggest race for three-year-olds, the Classic is the biggest race for elders. Try again.

You're so stupid, it's unbelievable. What you're saying was exactly her point. That simply winning the Classic shouldn't be the hands down slam dunk qualification for Zenyatta winning HOY.

It's like talking to a really shoddily made brick wall.

If it's not the Classic that gets her HOY, what is it? Her breathtaking wins over Taptam, Rinterval and Switch?

I don't think she should be HOY if she wins the Classic. It's Horse of the Year, not Horse of the Race, and assuming she wins, other than the Classic, she's done nothing but narrowly beat tomato cans all season.

You still have no point, unfortunately. She'll take the trophy if she wins next Saturday. But 'one race shouldn't get her the award' isn't illogical or biased, sorry.

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I'd most likely give it to Quality Road or Blame. Each won and placed in multiple significant handicap races this year.

You still haven't shown me illogical or biased statements from "east coasters" that parallel the greatest horse/mare ever inanity.

And I've said all along that I wouldn't be shocked to see Zenyatta win the Classic. Flies in the face of my 'Zenyatta hater' label, but I don't try to figure that one out.

nope, which makes one wonder why zenyatta deserves it based on a classic win-her races this year to date don't deserve hoy contention.

again, like i said before, this thread began because shirreffs averred that zenyatta deserved hoy even without a classic win. it's debatable with a win, should she get it. but without? absolutely not. but i guess all that, as well as my analogy, went over your head.

Now comes word that Zenyatta is ambitious. Not ambitiously placed, mind you, but ambitious.

"Now, we have Zenyatta, an ambitious mare who will try to remain unbeaten in 20 races, running against the boys next Saturday in the Breeders’ Cup Classic at Churchill Downs."

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/201...ys-still-work/

Once again: IT IS HORSE OF THE YEAR, NOT HORSE OF THE RACE. Zenyatta being better than Quality Road and Blame on one particular day should not negate their far superior campaigns the rest of the year. It would, but it shouldn't.

This ain't the NCAA Tournament, it's not single-elimination. It's more like the MVP, something Zenyatta most certainly hasn't been this season.

Canard Alert!

So wait, because Breeders' Cup winners aren't ironclad locks to win their division's award, the BC is meaningless? Just stop it.

I can't lose? What are you talking about? I don't think her campaign has been HOY worthy, Classic win or no. That's illogical and biased? It's realistic.

I think she's terrific, regardless of what happens next Saturday. I've said all along that her winning would make me sad, not because I don't want her to win, but because it would prove that she really could've been a total beast if they'd challenged her once in a while.

The award, as it's defined, should not be about who wins the Breeders' Cup. It should not even be about who the 'best' horse is. It should be about who accomplished the most throughout the year. No matter what way you try to spin it, regardless of what happens at Churchill, that isn't Zenyatta in 2010.

boy, it's either one extreme or the other. :rolleyes: no one is suggesting the races are meaningless. what is being suggested is that it's not the 'championships' it's billed as being. the name doesn't make it so. it's not a super bowl. taking the easy route and winning on bc day gives you a big check and a nice trophy. it should not automatically mean you also get a year end award. winning next saturday should not receive more weight than winning in gr 1's throughout the year, in other meaningful races. actually, doing away with the bc might not be such a bad idea...then voters for the eclipse awards would have to pay attention to more than one weekend a year.