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chucklestheclown 10-28-2010 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 712429)
Did you see Drape's piece?

Is that the one I referred to? I'm reading too much BS on this to keep it straight.

hockey2315 10-28-2010 12:51 AM

Me too. . . Didn't even realize that was what everyone was talking about. It's hard to keep track of all the ridiculous hyperbole.

Cannon Shell 10-28-2010 04:57 AM

While there are several segments of the horse racing industry that are manned with less than competent people, no area is quite as poorly represented as what passes for turf writers. The sad fact that a complete buffoon like Drape could win 2 eclipse awards is really all you need to know.

If Peter King came out tomorrow and said that he was voting for Peyton Manning for MVP regardless of what happens the rest of the season he would be savaged and probably lose his vote.

As for the comment that last years Classic was one of the strongest fields ever? The cherry on top of Drapes **** sundae.

Kasept 10-28-2010 05:15 AM

Much like some of the prior lunacy about 'HOY even with a loss', Drape's "view" is receiving more admonishment than fawning concurrence. The last comment in the string is about as succinctly and respectfully laid out as could be...

It's unfortunate to see someone have such little respect for this great game that he would unabashedly announce his bias, at the expense of fairness and sanity, in the manner that Mr. Drape has done with this piece. As has been suggested in the preceding comments, at least several others, particularly Quality Road, Blame, and Lookin at Lucky, would be FAR more worthy Horses of the Year than Zenyatta with a Classic win. To declare, as Mr. Drape has done, that Zenyatta is Horse of the Year regardless of the Classic results, both ignores fairness and common sense. It is nothing but childish impudence by someone who will be clearly unwilling to admit he was wrong should Zenyatta run to her prior 2010 efforts and fail to make even a minor impact on this below average BC Classic field. Not only does Mr. Drape ignore her actual 2010 achievements, he ignores the actual manner in which she has performed in 2010, while unfairly chastising those that have viewed her 2010 performances with an unbiased eye. In kind, he also ignores that the reason none of these Classic hopefuls have faced her is that she has not run in one single race in 2010 that any member of this field was eligible to compete in. Mr. Drape would like readers to believe that it is others that have ducked her, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Zenyatta has had a wonderful, albeit well manicured ( so to speak ), career. She is the greatest synthetic performer of all time. Perhaps she will silence her doubters next weekend by proving this dominance extends to the dirt surface. If so, she is the deserving 2010 Horse of the Year. However, if she does not, it answers the question in a different manner, and for any voter to announce his decision before this question has been answered begs another question....should that voter really be allowed to submit a ballot?

The Devil 10-28-2010 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 712449)
Much like some of the prior lunacy about 'HOY even with a loss', Drape's "view" is receiving more admonishment than fawning concurrence. The last comment in the string is about as succinctly and respectfully laid out as could be...

It's unfortunate to see someone have such little respect for this great game that he would unabashedly announce his bias, at the expense of fairness and sanity, in the manner that Mr. Drape has done with this piece. As has been suggested in the preceding comments, at least several others, particularly Quality Road, Blame, and Lookin at Lucky, would be FAR more worthy Horses of the Year than Zenyatta with a Classic win. To declare, as Mr. Drape has done, that Zenyatta is Horse of the Year regardless of the Classic results, both ignores fairness and common sense. It is nothing but childish impudence by someone who will be clearly unwilling to admit he was wrong should Zenyatta run to her prior 2010 efforts and fail to make even a minor impact on this below average BC Classic field. Not only does Mr. Drape ignore her actual 2010 achievements, he ignores the actual manner in which she has performed in 2010, while unfairly chastising those that have viewed her 2010 performances with an unbiased eye. In kind, he also ignores that the reason none of these Classic hopefuls have faced her is that she has not run in one single race in 2010 that any member of this field was eligible to compete in. Mr. Drape would like readers to believe that it is others that have ducked her, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Zenyatta has had a wonderful, albeit well manicured ( so to speak ), career. She is the greatest synthetic performer of all time. Perhaps she will silence her doubters next weekend by proving this dominance extends to the dirt surface. If so, she is the deserving 2010 Horse of the Year. However, if she does not, it answers the question in a different manner, and for any voter to announce his decision before this question has been answered begs another question....should that voter really be allowed to submit a ballot?

Amen! :tro:

slotdirt 10-28-2010 06:22 AM

Well written.

Danzig 10-28-2010 06:30 AM

an excellent reply to drape's ridiculous article.

Indian Charlie 10-28-2010 09:15 AM

She probably won't run anyways.

randallscott35 10-28-2010 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 712506)
She probably won't run anyways.

Wouldn't shock me

hockey2315 10-28-2010 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 712506)
She probably won't run anyways.

I'd cry. I can't wait to taunt the Z fans post-Classic.

slotdirt 10-28-2010 10:02 AM

Considering how many of them - males includes - will already be crying, that doesn't seem very...nice.

Indian Charlie 10-28-2010 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 712520)
I'd cry. I can't wait to taunt the Z fans post-Classic.

That would be the most useless of endeavors. They will say stupid crap like, "She's a six year old and is three years past the time horses should even be running"

Or

"It was too speed favoring a track"

Or

"Flying over the Rockies sapped her will to win"

Or

"She wanted to be nice to her opposition"

Or

"Even though she's been to Arkansas twice, she got spooked by being around too many rednecks"

Etc.

Etc.

Ad nauseum

Sightseek 10-28-2010 11:47 AM

Everyone has a built in excuse, it's being run under the lights.

Indian Charlie 10-28-2010 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 712572)
Everyone has a built in excuse, it's being run under the lights.

I didn't even consider that, but now that I think about it, that should favor her.

the_fat_man 10-28-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 712520)
I'd cry. I can't wait to taunt the Z fans post-Classic.

Did you taunt the RA fans after little Z beat her and she had to be subsequently/eventually retired? Did you taunt all those fans of the FAST QR when he got dusted? After all those threads about how he would have no trouble going 10F and would bury anything presently running? Seems to me you and all the Z bashers were very much fans of RA and QR. Which makes it interesting that all of you are finding the nuts to continually come after Z and her supporters.

I could care less if Z wins the Classic or not. But if I were all over RA and QR, I certainly would've shut the f u c k up at this point. Of course, all those that were WRONG about RA and QR have left is to go on the offensive and come after Z (and her supporters). And if Z fails, it still only means that you were right ONE out of THREE times. And if she wins it'll be because the field was very weak.:rolleyes:

The problem with all the s hi t being thrown around here is that all of you have a bit of a history of some very poor opinions. Hard to take any of you seriously after the QR debacle this year. The super horse. ha ha ha. Especially since I was one his (and RA's) harshest critics. Know what I mean, Ace?

So, you might want to wait a little bit longer. :rolleyes:

Coach Pants 10-28-2010 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 712594)

The problem with all the s hi t being thrown around here is that all of you have a bit of a history of some very poor opinions. Hard to take any of you seriously after the QR debacle this year. The super horse. ha ha ha. Especially since I was one his (and RA's) harshest critics. Know what I mean, Ace?

So, you might want to wait a little bit longer. :rolleyes:

OMG

Cannon Shell 10-28-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 712596)
Almost as many excuses as Zenyettas detractors

Those would be referred to as facts as opposed to excuses.

Personally i believe Mike Smith will bear the brunt of the post-race criticism
a.Moved too early
b.Moved too late
c.Too wide
d.Got blocked
e.Didnt switch leads

hockey2315 10-28-2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 712594)
Did you taunt the RA fans after little Z beat her and she had to be subsequently/eventually retired? Did you taunt all those fans of the FAST QR when he got dusted? After all those threads about how he would have no trouble going 10F and would bury anything presently running? Seems to me you and all the Z bashers were very much fans of RA and QR. Which makes it interesting that all of you are finding the nuts to continually come after Z and her supporters.

I could care less if Z wins the Classic or not. But if I were all over RA and QR, I certainly would've shut the f u c k up at this point. Of course, all those that were WRONG about RA and QR have left is to go on the offensive and come after Z (and her supporters). And if Z fails, it still only means that you were right ONE out of THREE times. And if she wins it'll be because the field was very weak.:rolleyes:

The problem with all the s hi t being thrown around here is that all of you have a bit of a history of some very poor opinions. Hard to take any of you seriously after the QR debacle this year. The super horse. ha ha ha. Especially since I was one his (and RA's) harshest critics. Know what I mean, Ace?

So, you might want to wait a little bit longer. :rolleyes:

As you've displayed, the complete insanity and irrationality of those stricken with Zen-fever eclipses anything positive ever said about the other two you've mentioned. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.


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