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freddymo 07-01-2010 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 664051)
The stakes racing at Belmont and Monmouth aren't even on the same planet. Has the day-to-day racing been top notch? Not even close but it is worth noting that the number of allowance races tomorrow at Belmont outnumbers Monmouth 3-1.

NT
Nick Belmont is the mecca of the sport. Think about that and tell me there isnt a HUGE problem?

NTamm1215 07-01-2010 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 664056)
To be fair...how about comparing Saturday's and Sunday's cards.
The Monmouth day-to-day cards have mostly been very good. Undoubtedly a gigantic improvement over their product in years past. That I'd never dispute but the notion that was brought up in this thread that "it's the place to be racing this summer" is silly considering their stakes races are basically the same they were last year and the decade before then.

NT

freddymo 07-01-2010 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 664053)
So because Quality Road is only running three races in NY this year after three last year he's not a regular?

Come on, Freddy, you're trying to make it sound like Jess got some great offer from Monmouth and the racing office in NY basically told him, fine, go ahead. Do you really think Campo or anyone else wants to see Rachel ship to Monmouth for some dumb listed stake when they're going to house her for a whole meet? For s.hit sake, is this about 150k? The guy has enough money to feed the entire backside in NY and NJ for the next millennium.

What more does NYRA have to do for the guy? They kissed his ass all year last year when he ran her twice. They renamed a restaurant at the track for his supposed superhorse and created a stake so he can hand out the trophy. I hope, like Parsixfarms said, he's told to take Kensei and the rest of Assman's band of superstars in NY down to Monmouth with Rachel and stay there. Dr. W could probably mop up those 80k N1X races and Hoppsey will be 2/5 in the Oceanport on Haskell day.

P.S. I wouldn't get with Snookie with your thing.

NT
PJ needs ASS more then ASS needs PJ and I would think both know the score..
Nick NYRA could NOT let this happen they needed to go to Jess man to man and tell him we need your horse and we will do whatever you need us to do to keep her here PERIOD.. It's a joke..

Who cares if she isnt the greatest who cares if she is total overrated who cares if you and I could name 7 to 10 at least as good.. She is what the market wants to see and she is what the MECCA is suppose to deliver.. The credit line is in place to protect racing not some 7500 claiming race that will ALWAYS fill.. The point is to be racing the point is to be what is on ESPN.. We all know it's about Jess's ego and not reality and that is not suppose to matter.. The only thing that is suppose to matter is you win

10 pnt move up 07-01-2010 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 664041)
Yeah the Lady's Secret will be a barnburner
Its going to be talked about here, you can bank on it.

Travis Stone 07-01-2010 08:54 PM
No matter how you slice it, it's a curious decision to run in an ungraded stake for marginally more money when the racetrack which really pumped-up your presence and helped make your Woodward win a big part of why you won Horse of the Year, is offering a grade one race.

It's equally curious as to why anyone would think NYRA did not make an attempt to keep here there.

10 pnt move up 07-01-2010 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 664066)
No matter how you slice it, it's a curious decision to run in an ungraded stake for marginally more money when the racetrack which really pumped-up your presence and helped make your Woodward win a big part of why you won Horse of the Year, is offering a grade one race.

It's equally curious as to why anyone would think NYRA did not make an attempt to keep here there.
The owner knows she needs protection this year, look at her schedule so far, not a single grade 1 till September, maybe.

Travis Stone 07-01-2010 09:03 PM
If it's about keeping her running every five weeks, then the Personal Ensign follows nicely. But from there is no easy five week system between now and the Breeders' Cup.

Duvalier 07-01-2010 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 664081)
If it's about keeping her running every five weeks, then the Personal Ensign follows nicely. But from there is no easy five week system between now and the Breeders' Cup.
The "sporting" Jess Jackson will just have someone create a race with the ideal conditions on the exact day he wishes to run.

Wayne Bertrand 07-01-2010 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 664036)
he retired her from races that matter...
There it is. 'Nuff said.

Wayne Bertrand 07-01-2010 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 664082)
The "sporting" Jess Jackson will just have someone create a race with the ideal conditions on the exact day he wishes to run.
This is the third straight year that "Mr. Sportsman" had one-half of a match-up that racing fans wanted to see but was never delivered. In 2008, it was Curlin-Big Brown, and now we've had two years of no Rachel-Zenyatta. He is the common denominator, and his act is beyond tedious.

Duvalier 07-01-2010 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayne Bertrand (Post 664107)
He is the common denominator, and his act is beyond tedious.
Couldn't agree more.

philcski 07-01-2010 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayne Bertrand (Post 664107)
This is the third straight year that "Mr. Sportsman" had one-half of a match-up that racing fans wanted to see but was never delivered. In 2008, it was Curlin-Big Brown, and now we've had two years of no Rachel-Zenyatta. He is the common denominator, and his act is beyond tedious.
He's an uber douche, no argument there, but in the case of Curlin-Big Brown that wasn't really ever feasible. Big Brown only ran once in a race that Curlin was even eligible for (the Monmouth Stakes on turf), and I think it's understandable that Curlin went in the JCGC instead given his already proven average ability on turf.

As for the Rachel-Zenyatta matchup, we all know it should have happened at Oaklawn. That it didn't was frustrating on a lot of levels.

This year's campaign was protective to this point... which I get (somewhat)... but the Lady's Secret choice is a joke. She obviously is back to where she should be.

Cannon Shell 07-01-2010 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 664063)
Its going to be talked about here, you can bank on it.
Is that the new measure of success?

freddymo 07-01-2010 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 664066)
No matter how you slice it, it's a curious decision to run in an ungraded stake for marginally more money when the racetrack which really pumped-up your presence and helped make your Woodward win a big part of why you won Horse of the Year, is offering a grade one race.

It's equally curious as to why anyone would think NYRA did not make an attempt to keep here there.


Isnt it crystal clear? MP decided to be proactive and NYRA figured the crystal Ruffian trophy and racing on a card with 3 5.5f turf sprints was enough especially at the 250k G1 min.. While the purse is only significant to people that condition and care for Rachel those people are who Jess is making this decision for. You think Jess gives a flying F about another potential 90k?

parsixfarms 07-01-2010 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664144)
Isnt it crystal clear? MP decided to be proactive and NYRA figured the crystal Ruffian trophy and racing on a card with 3 5.5f turf sprints was enough especially at the 250k G1 min.. While the purse is only significant to people that condition and care for Rachel those people are who Jess is making this decision for. You think Jess gives a flying F about another potential 90k?
So you're saying that Rachel is going to Monmouth because of Jackson's desire to deliver about $11,000 (12% of the additional $90K winners' share) more to Asmussen, Blasi and staff?

Indian Charlie 07-01-2010 10:35 PM
I wonder what Smooth Operator has to say about all this.

freddymo 07-01-2010 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 664151)
So you're saying that Rachel is going to Monmouth because of Jackson's desire to deliver about $11,000 (12% of the additional $90K winners' share) more to Asmussen, Blasi and staff?
Isn't that 70% more that 250k race would pay? Don't you think MP went to Jess and requested Rachel run at MP and don't you think that they told him we will do what we need to to make you and your horse special. We will change the date distance and purse and maybe we will buy the hats off NYRA? lol

That's the point.. she is a free agent owned by a man who can do as he wishes even if it doest make sense to the stakes nazi "Rollo"..

Your stance that NYRA should request Rachel off grounds is funny..Instead of throwing out the red carpet you suggest they pitch the biggest star(draw) on the east coast.. "It's Blame day here at SPA. come and see this strapping son of Arch" lol

Hey maybe Jess just wanted to give MP his prize to show he supported for forward thinking vs. maiden claiming NY bred turf racing at 5.5f's..

I know I know once the VLT's are in the world will be free from disease..

Cannon Shell 07-01-2010 10:41 PM
[quote=freddymo;664144]Isnt it crystal clear? MP decided to be proactive and NYRA figured the crystal Ruffian trophy and racing on a card with 3 5.5f turf sprints was enough especially at the 250k G1 min.. While the purse is only significant to people that condition and care for Rachel those people are who Jess is making this decision for. You think Jess gives a flying F about another potential 90k?[/QUOTE]

LOl. You are kidding right?

freddymo 07-01-2010 10:45 PM
[quote=Cannon Shell;664175]
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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664144)
Isnt it crystal clear? MP decided to be proactive and NYRA figured the crystal Ruffian trophy and racing on a card with 3 5.5f turf sprints was enough especially at the 250k G1 min.. While the purse is only significant to people that condition and care for Rachel those people are who Jess is making this decision for. You think Jess gives a flying F about another potential 90k?[/QUOTE]

LOl. You are kidding right?
when 9 cents is significant in your humble life 90k will be significant to Jess.. 90k get the f out of here Chuck the guy is playing up the 18th hole.. What does he have an estate issue? What's 90k to him a trip to Giolden Corral for you a Tuesday?

Cannon Shell 07-01-2010 10:54 PM
I find it hard to believe that what Monmouth is doing isnt a huge negative in the short and long term. Trading your integrity (which is what they absolutely have done by pandering) just makes it easier for the next flavor of the month to demand the same or more favorable terms. This game is soft enough at the top levels already and moving stakes and changing the distance to fit the schedule of a horse is another step in the wrong direction. I have no problem with them raising the purse of a race to attract horses, that is good business. But the pandering is a joke. It is like Le Bron telling the NBA he will sign with the Knicks if they agree to give them all home games and waive the salary cap for him so he can make more money.

Doing things like this makes it certain that owners will continue to duck and dive and look for handouts as opposed to actually running in races that are considered important. Hooray Racing!


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