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santana 06-13-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 657562)
1) Knew his surroundings, knew the horses inside of him were dead and waited to the very last second and tried to get the jump on her, and he did

2) Took her as wide as possible without necessarily hurting his mount

He wasn't 'just' riding for 2nd, he was riding to win, and he could have easily just started shoving at the 1/2 mile pole and blown by those other horses and lost the race by a couple lengths. His ride gave him a real chance to win


I think he would have had his best chance to win, if he layed closer to the pace, rather than sitting just in front of Zen....how in the world was he going to out close her from back there.....She had shown some sort of pace in the past, and i think could have shown more than that early....
I take nothing away from the BIG Horse, she is pretty nice....winning all those races coming from behind, is certainly no easy thing.....

2Hot4TV 06-13-2010 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 657448)
That was exciting as hell. St Trinians has a weird stride.

But game as hell

2Hot4TV 06-13-2010 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 657485)
Oh I know... the pace was solid, the race setup, St. Trinian puts the race away, and laid down in the final few strides, but none-the-less Zenyatta was beat at the 16th pole, but dug-in.

The haters just cant love a deep closer that doesn't lose. 17 and 0

Left Bank 06-13-2010 10:33 PM

I think Zenyatta would have won by 5 if Mike"God I gotta tour the grandstand before I cross the finish line" Smith had not gone so wide.Best race of the year so far!

eajinabi 06-13-2010 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank (Post 657581)
I think Zenyatta would have won by 5 if Mike"God I gotta tour the grandstand before I cross the finish line" Smith had not gone so wide.Best race of the year so far!

Garcia purposely went wide to push Zenyatta even wider. St Trinians ran a monster race but unfortunately Zenyatta was an even bigger monster. If only the Lakers could have watched her race for inspiration.

westcoastinvader 06-13-2010 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 657503)
I think this was her best race in her 17 race career, not from a numbers perspective or even a competition standpoint, for some reason to me, she didn't look like she was on top of her game today, if you would have asked me with 100 yds to go would she had caught St. Trinians who ran a hell of a race I would have said no. She looked beat and somehow got up to win, just as Personal Ensign willed her way to victory in the BC, these are the moments that you don't forget as a racefan whether you are a fan of West coast racing or east coast racing. I also thought Vic was right on his game today also, magical stuff.

Hear, hear.....

Smooth Operator 06-14-2010 01:46 AM

Now that the (super impressive) win record is in the bag … there's really only one more major goal for Z this season …defending her BCC title.

Forget about this RA … if they want a piece of Z let them come to Cali.

And forget about the subjective HotY award … it has already been cheapened too much over the years with selections like FT and RA.


The real goal now is taking down back-to-back Classics.

First 6-year-old to win the great American race … and the first to do it on different surfaces


That's some SERIOUS stuff right there, kids.


Needless to say, though, it won't be easy … the odds are clearly against her.

But Shirreffs has to keep his eye on the ball now … and do the best that he can to get her to the Downs in the best possible condition...



17-0 :tro: :cool:

Danzig 06-14-2010 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 657590)
Now that the (super impressive) win record is in the bag … there's really only one more major goal for Z this season …defending her BCC title.

Forget about this RA … if they want a piece of Z let them come to Cali.

And forget about the subjective HotY award … it has already been cheapened too much over the years with selections like FT and RA.


The real goal now is taking down back-to-back Classics.

First 6-year-old to win the great American race … and the first to do it on different surfaces


That's some SERIOUS stuff right there, kids.


Needless to say, though, it won't be easy … the odds are clearly against her.

But Shirreffs has to keep his eye on the ball now … and do the best that he can to get her to the Downs in the best possible condition...



17-0 :tro: :cool:


but....the record for a win streak in the modern day is 19-0. or are we all going to pretend that new mexico mare never existed like tvg is trying to do? and lol at your take on HOY. if zenyatta manages to win it this year, i'd imagine your opinion would change dramatically about it being 'subjective'.

randallscott35 06-14-2010 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 657595)
but....the record for a win streak in the modern day is 19-0. or are we all going to pretend that new mexico mare never existed like tvg is trying to do? and lol at your take on HOY. if zenyatta manages to win it this year, i'd imagine your opinion would change dramatically about it being 'subjective'.

Who cares about win streaks against lesser competition. I don't understand everyone's fascination with win streaks. They are stupid. Great horses lose races and its not a big deal. Beating NM breds and Grade 3 competition on synthetic doesn't do anything for me, whether they win 2 in a row or 50.

Danzig 06-14-2010 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 657597)
Who cares about win streaks against lesser competition. I don't understand everyone's fascination with win streaks. They are stupid. Great horses lose races and its not a big deal. Beating NM breds and Grade 3 competition on synthetic doesn't do anything for me, whether they win 2 in a row or 50.


apparently the mosses do.

randallscott35 06-14-2010 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 657598)
apparently the mosses do.

And a lot of the idiots on this board. It's dumb.

Indian Charlie 06-14-2010 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 657590)
Now that the (super impressive) win record is in the bag … there's really only one more major goal for Z this season …defending her BCC title.

Forget about this RA … if they want a piece of Z let them come to Cali.

And forget about the subjective HotY award … it has already been cheapened too much over the years with selections like FT and RA.


The real goal now is taking down back-to-back Classics.

First 6-year-old to win the great American race … and the first to do it on different surfaces


That's some SERIOUS stuff right there, kids.


Needless to say, though, it won't be easy … the odds are clearly against her.

But Shirreffs has to keep his eye on the ball now … and do the best that he can to get her to the Downs in the best possible condition...



17-0 :tro: :cool:

I'm thinking of starting a poll.

What should your new user name be.

Smooth Operatard

or

Prostate Operator

Merlinsky 06-14-2010 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 657590)
Forget about this RA … if they want a piece of Z let them come to Cali.

And forget about the subjective HotY award … it has already been cheapened too much over the years with selections like FT and RA.

:rolleyes:

This post must be like in elementary school where they wanted you to write a little story not so much for content but so they could get you to practice things like spelling and penmanship. This one really could've been improved by "drawerings."

DaTruth 06-14-2010 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 657590)
Now that the (super impressive) win record is in the bag … there's really only one more major goal for Z this season …defending her BCC title.

17-0 :tro: :cool:

In other words, z will not leave SoCal and her soft spots until the BC.

I do have to give z credit for breaking Hallowed Dreams' mark of 16 wins in a row.

Danzig 06-14-2010 08:01 AM

rachel won her race faster than blame.
zenyatta on the other hand ran slower than rail trip.

now, props to her consistency for going 17-0. but consistency and greatness aren't interchangeable words. one of congaree's best races, the one in which everyone's respect for him grew, was his nose loss to milwaukee brew in the big 'cap.

CSC 06-14-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 657611)
rachel won her race faster than blame.
zenyatta on the other hand ran slower than rail trip.

I thought you were better than this, my toy is bigger than yours...Your handicapping method here is so simplistic it's silly, where did you get this from a 4 yr child?

NTamm1215 06-14-2010 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 657614)
I thought you were better than this, my toy is bigger than yours...Your handicapping method here is so simplistic it's silly, where did you get this from a 4 yr child?

If you watched the Californian and thought afterwards that Zenyatta is ready to take on Rail Trip in the HOL Gold Cup then you need to get a prescription for new goggles. Hell, her own trainer isn't even willing to take him on and I don't blame them, he's back in form and loves that track.

NT

slotdirt 06-14-2010 08:27 AM

Well, in all fairness, the trainer of Rail Trip didn't exactly sound jazzed up to take on Zenyatta post-race yesterday either.

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-14-2010 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 657500)
I'll never root for Zenyatta. Her fans and TVG are unbearable. I wanted to reach through the television and taze Rudolph for calling her "The Queen"

:tro::tro::tro:

ateamstupid 06-14-2010 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 657614)
I thought you were better than this, my toy is bigger than yours...Your handicapping method here is so simplistic it's silly, where did you get this from a 4 yr child?

As opposed to "she's never lost so that totally means she's the bestest!!!!"?


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