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Cannon Shell 04-30-2010 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 641889)
:D


I've used words like mule, goat and rat before when describing some horses comp … but never "german shepard".
Euros

Smooth Operator 04-30-2010 02:35 PM
:D

Merlinsky 04-30-2010 03:20 PM
Once again, listening to ATR brings sense to the cacophonous noise that is the Rachel/Zenyatta conversation. Thanks, Steve. I'd be surprised if that was Calvin's decision which was thrown out there as a possibility. I still feel like it's Asmussen.

ateamstupid 04-30-2010 03:33 PM
No excuses here, she should've put that filly away even if UB did get the jump on her.

As for the ride, I think the connections might've been a little paranoid about chasing fast fractions like she did in New Orleans. There appeared to be a lot of speed on paper today, but it just didn't materialize. Still, whatever the plans were, Calvin should've realized how slow they were going and just let her roll.

letswastemoney 04-30-2010 03:34 PM
I was just reading the Crist blog and he brought up a good point. Which brings me to this question.

Question:

If Rachel and Unrivaled Belle ran something in the 105 beyer figure range, are people still going to say Rachel is not as good as last year?

It's not unreasonable to think that Unrivaled Belle just improved.

DaTruth 04-30-2010 03:44 PM
Final time for the race was 2/5ths faster than Arson Squad's winning time in the Alysheba.

dalakhani 04-30-2010 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 641923)
Final time for the race was 2/5ths faster than Arson Squad's winning time in the Alysheba.
And? Arson Squad is a rat. As a matter of fact, every horse in that race was bad. Flying private in the exacta?

Merlinsky 04-30-2010 04:00 PM
Uh oh, according to Tim Layden from SI, Jess was asked about Calvin's future on Rachel and he said "That's not decided." I was afraid of that.

ateamstupid 04-30-2010 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 641935)
And? Arson Squad is a rat. As a matter of fact, every horse in that race was bad. Flying private in the exacta?
The Alysheba has had some bad fields the last few years. Remember Giant Gizmo?

dalakhani 04-30-2010 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 641939)
The Alysheba has had some bad fields the last few years. Remember Giant Gizmo?
I wonder if the connections of chocolate candy are going to give up on the dirt thing with this horse. He just doesnt seem to enjoy it. Or am I looking to deep into these double digit thrashings?

I threw the first three out and still couldnt land on the winner.

Cannon Shell 04-30-2010 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 641935)
And? Arson Squad is a rat. As a matter of fact, every horse in that race was bad. Flying private in the exacta?
A rat compared to....???

It is grade 3 level older horses. They arent stars but a good fig comparison to a similar filly and mare race at the same distance.

DaTruth 04-30-2010 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 641935)
As a matter of fact, every horse in that race was bad. Flying private in the exacta?

Speaking of Lukas horses, did Be Fair improve off her third in the Apple Blossom?

:rolleyes:

scat daddy 04-30-2010 05:33 PM
Rachel
 
With the beat today at the hands of a 9-1 does she now call it a career and head to the breeding shed. I witnessed her Woodward and felt she left it all on the track that day. They usually never come back after hitting bottom like that..... great filly for 09 to remember but do NOT want to remember her as one that raced past per her time...Puhlllezzz Mr. Jackson retire the filly and move on...


Scat OUT

2Hot4TV 04-30-2010 05:41 PM
When you race the Triple Crown trail you must pay the toll. We seen it happen with alot of good 3 yo's

2Hot4TV 04-30-2010 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 641773)
Give a different rider a chance.
PLEASE?????????????????????????

philcski 04-30-2010 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 641846)
Why should Rachel retire? She has been competitive in 2 races this year losing by no more than a combined length. I'm sure the numbers guys will tell us she will beyer better than the 100 she got in the N.O Ladies and that would put her in the 107 range of the Woodward, so what's wrong with that? Unless people's opinions of her were so sky high to begin with, :rolleyes: then maybe it is a big surprise then. She lost to a very good filly and Rachel ran a good race give both some credit.
She won't get a 107.

I think Blind Luck went backwards a few points from her OP Fantasy race. Not a stretch to assume that given it's hard for 3YO fillies to repeat that kind of performance. If you assign her a 100, Rachel/Unrivaled Belle get a 102, and the Alysheba gets a 99.

2Hot4TV 04-30-2010 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 641899)
:D
You are showing a character flaw.

ateamstupid 04-30-2010 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 642018)
She won't get a 107.

I think Blind Luck went backwards a few points from her OP Fantasy race. Not a stretch to assume that given it's hard for 3YO fillies to repeat that kind of performance. If you assign her a 100, Rachel/Unrivaled Belle get a 102, and the Alysheba gets a 99.
It's also understandable considering the traffic she had to overcome to pass 13 horses.

Coach Pants 04-30-2010 06:30 PM
If they retire her it would be a mistake. The main track was hmm awkward.

dalakhani 04-30-2010 06:40 PM
Im not understanding how people are blaming the rider here. What did he do wrong? He sat right off a relatively slow pace and pounced around the turn. What was he supposed to do? She didnt get checked or have any traffic problems and he didnt get her into any kind of duel.

Calvin did his job. If she was good enough today, she wins. She wasn't good enough today.


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