In some respects, my reaction was the same as NTamm when I read this in the Bloodhorse article. Given the handle necessary to support these purse levels, if they don't do that much, it would not surprise me to see the politicians simply say that the game can't sustain itself, so let's get out of the racing business.

Hi we are back let me have my stalls? Hollywood Park already is the home fifty horse entire race day programs

Right, or I'd be afraid their attitude would be, the hell with them, let them fight for slots, go through the motions because after all we're fighting a beast that's even closer (PHA).

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I dont know that this is the best way to accomplish that goal. hell they could have just let the status quo stand and they would have more ammo to close the thing down. As i said before handicapping pols especially in a broke state like NJ is impossible

Like I said what are they going to do? This is 2010 and stalls at NYRA arent golden anymore.

Exactly. The tracks are now the beggars. They can't turn away guys who want to come when they have empty stalls. One thing that the advent of supertrainers and slot tracks has done is lessen the importance of stalls at an individual track. CD used to get 4000 applications for 1500 stalls. They had empties last fall. NY has lots of empty stalls this winter. Keeneland is never full. Guys from KY shipped to delaware last June/July and they had plenty of stalls to accomodate them. CA tracks have no leg to stand on in refusing trainers stalls.

I understand all your points and they make perfect sense..but life is a circle you will have to see the same guy on HIS way up.

What guy are you referring to? you have lost me

Racing sec or your rabbi at the track who makes you practicing your trade happen.. Chuck you are suggesting that a guy with 20 horses can come and go at a rival track without any issue...We all know that Pletcher and Ass are free to do whatever they want..But if you had 20 stabled at Belmont and wanted to go race a few this summer at Monmouth instead of SPA that the track has zero recourse

Will they get pissed? Probably but what are they going to do? Kick him out? How does that help them when they need him? Sciacca is a not a great example because he runs his horses as much or more than anyone. Check out the NY guys that ship to Philly. Everyday there are NY horses there. The truth is that if trainers dont take advantage of big pots it doesnt matter what the tracks want to do with them, they will go out of business.

I appreciate your input I think it is more complicated

Anytime freddy

One thing I am sure of the smallish NJ based stable and owner can not race in NJ anymore.. Pa just got more friends

except the 21 days they have set aside for the NJ bred slugs.. BTW this is a long term good thing

My buddy bought a couple of stallions in NJ a few years back hoping to bred and make a few bucks if NJ turned the corner...Not exactly a good call

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Just listened to Kulina on ATR. Nickels will run for $30k, which would lend itself to drop $10-20k types in- however he is going to write conditioned claimers that would prohibit entry of those that have started for $10k or more in the last 12 months in a $5k race, or $20k in a $12.5k race, etc. Said he borrowed the idea from harness racing, sounds like a very good idea given the purse structure to balance for both the bettors and the trainers/owners.

Might be if this idea works. J breds are running for $80k maidens. You win one race and you're profitable.

The more I hear about this plan the more I like it and think it might actually work. I know that I will focus all of my wagering on Monmouth Park this summer and hope that others do too.

As a fan, I think you have to love the concept. Not crazy about 5 claimer races at all.. I thought the point was attract quality horses that were fast.. You are betting MP because you like 5 claimers? I would guess they will only card 2 or 3 lower level claimers a weekend HOPEFULLY

My guess is that the racing office in NY is going to keep tabs on who is shipping out of town and use Saratoga stalls as an inducement to have guys stay at home during (so as to protect) the Belmont spring meet. For example, the guy who had 18 stalls at Saratoga in 2009 might only get 10 stalls if he frequents the Jersey shore during the spring. My experience is that owners want to see their horses while they are in Saratoga, and trainers often have to juggle various competing interests given the limited stalls they have here.

If we were talking stalls in NY now, you are correct, it would be meaningless. But let's not forget that for the last few years, there haven't been enough stalls at Belmont from April - November (once the grass season begins), and that situation will be exacerbated if NYRA closes Aqueduct for training. There will be more horses heading to the Oklahoma for off-season training as it is.

....Not only will those restrictions allow local horsemen to compete, but the purse in the race will also reward successful trainers who will be facing far fewer opportunities to race this year while still maintaining the same amount of expenses. In addition, Monmouth plans to pay a portion of purse money back to last place, though the exact amount has yet to be determined, Kulina said.

.....To get the breeding industry's support, Monmouth officials committed to carding an average of 2 1/2 races restricted to New Jersey-bred horses every day - or approximately 175 races over the two Monmouth meets, compared with 229 races restricted to Jersey-breds last year. ...... have focused on the track's potential to thrill racing fans and bettors by providing full fields of top-class horses, but the commitment to the restricted races appears to contradict that philosophy.

http://drf.com/news/article/111337.html

The racing dates will be interesting to watch, competing against 'toga and Del Mar and other tracks