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SCUDSBROTHER 02-23-2010 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground
i know silver charm was coming off a layoff. i was just pointing out that a derby winner had won the race. i understand your point and i agree with some of it. im not sure how much sidneys candy got out of the return race. he had some trouble at the start and didnt really do a whole lot of running. all of these races are preps. no ones target race is the san vicente.

i just think running in the stake makes more sense if they are seriously going to try and make the derby.
I've seen all this before. Ain't falling for it. I had high hopes for the horse, but he acts like he's training a Gayego/Georgie Boy type.

VOL JACK 02-23-2010 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
All in all - he was probably more impressive in his glorious narrow summer triumphs over C. P. West and Grasshopper.

People forget how much position Curlin lost early on in the Preakness as a much the best winner, as well as how he lost to Rags to Riches next out and was crushed by AGS in the Haskell two starts later and was a troubled but distant 3rd in the Derby before all of this.

They forget how Hard Spun was strangled 4.5 lengths off of the early lead in the Preakness ... and how Hard Spun conclusively finished ahead of Street Sense in their two subsquent meetings after the Preakness.

People forget that Street Sense got another huge pace and dream trip setup in defeat in the Preakness.. the only thing missing that time was a live rail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj505...eature=related
Get out your little red arrows and teach.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-23-2010 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj505...eature=related
Get out your little red arrows and teach.
Street Sense's race = Great pace setup for a one-run closer, incredibly sweet split of the pack never losing momentum to take the lead ... and than hung like ....




Hard Spun's race = a Grade 1 winning sprinter and free running speed horse who's race was totally ruined by two longshots going nutso in an early speed duel.

For people who think he's fine coming from 4.5 lengths off the pace going 9.5 furlongs ... keep in mind he was 4th to Tueflsburg in the Southwest Stakes at Oaklawn when previously hard rated ... that horse was trained by this lady ..




Curlin's race = green and lost early position and was behind Street Sense for the first furlong. Check his prior race - and his two subsquent races to know this wasn't the sharp horse that impressively won the BC Classic over Hard Spun and Awesome Gem - all while running a little faster than War Pass did in the Juvenile on the parallel time charts.

RockHardTen1985 02-23-2010 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Eskendereya has already done what Big Brown didn't do until late March.

NT
Eskendereya would have SMOKED BIG BROWN.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-23-2010 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Eskendereya would have SMOKED BIG BROWN.
No.

RockHardTen1985 02-23-2010 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
You're not possibly comparing the two - Eskandereya's FOY to Big Brown's FL Derby, are you? Eskandereya is a Very nice horse, but c'mon, Nick.

If Eskandereya closes from the far outside going away in the FL Derby and I recant my sentiment.
You're not possibly serious with this, are you?

VOL JACK 02-23-2010 10:51 PM
Bash him all you want...I'm not giving the :$: :$: I won on him in the derby.
I just wished that Any Given Slowpoke would have hit the board behind him then its PG1985:$: :$: !!

SCUDSBROTHER 02-23-2010 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
That is interesting that you chose someone to represent your point of view that has about the same command of the English language as you.
I didn't know you got to do a commercial with Lamar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcXfCfzFtW4

The Indomitable DrugS 02-23-2010 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I didn't know you got to do a commercial with Lamar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcXfCfzFtW4
Is that supposed to be IC in his youthful prime?

brianwspencer 02-23-2010 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
All in all - he was probably more impressive in his glorious narrow summer triumphs over C. P. West and Grasshopper.

People forget how much position Curlin lost early on in the Preakness as a much the best winner, as well as how he lost to Rags to Riches next out and was crushed by AGS in the Haskell two starts later and was a troubled but distant 3rd in the Derby before all of this.

They forget how Hard Spun was strangled 4.5 lengths off of the early lead in the Preakness ... and how Hard Spun conclusively finished ahead of Street Sense in their two subsquent meetings after the Preakness.

People forget that Street Sense got another huge pace and dream trip setup in defeat in the Preakness.. the only thing missing that time was a live rail.
A little shy of 14,000,000....but I tried.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-23-2010 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
A little shy of 14,000,000....but I tried.
I don't have the heart anymore.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-23-2010 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Is that supposed to be IC in his youthful prime?
It's quite accurate.

Indian Charlie 02-24-2010 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I didn't know you got to do a commercial with Lamar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcXfCfzFtW4
Dude.

That's not real. Saturn isn't before the moon.

Rupert Pupkin 02-24-2010 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Minutes after his win the trainer was talking about being behind the eight ball for the classics, but because they thought so much of him he was nominated anyways, and will probably try to go that direction with him.

I'm paraphrasing what he said.
I guess they could conceivably make the Preakness. This horse is about as far along as Bernardini was at this point in the year. They would be rushed to do it, but it is possible. I think they would be better off taking their time and pointing for races like the Haskell and Travers.


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