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Cannon Shell 10-14-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Dont get me wrong, I think Catienus is a very nice sire and has never got his due.
I cant for the life of me understand how a plodder like himself that wanted to run 12f, sires a horse like Talent Search who breaks like a rocket and is one of the faster horses for 4-5f we have seen the last few years.

Interesting that Clement lost this horse to KR for 50K...which is even worse than losing Furthest Land for 35K with all of his conditions in tack.

TS must have had a lot of mr P in him

The Indomitable DrugS 10-14-2009 09:34 AM

Talent Search debuted for a tag at Tampa two days before Christmas - Fabulous Strike debuted at Tampa two days after Christmas that same year.

I was there both days.

My mom's birthday is Christmas Eve and Christmas is a big thing for us the next day.

I almost got disowned that year for not showing up or calling either day. I was probably too busy posting and making speed figures for greyhound tracks.

VOL JACK 10-14-2009 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Talent Search debuted for a tag at Tampa two days before Christmas - Fabulous Strike debuted at Tampa two days after Christmas that same year.

I was there both days.

My mom's birthday is Christmas Eve and Christmas is a big thing for us the next day.

I almost got disowned that year for not showing up or calling either day. I was probably too busy posting and making speed figures for greyhound tracks.

The great Joe Woodard debuted him for 12,500 if Im not mistaken.
Both horses went on to run 1-2 in the same G1 Vosburgh at Belmont in October 2007.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-14-2009 09:47 AM

Yep.

Florida is God's country ... lots of skanky girls with tattoos.

freddymo 10-14-2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Is this supposed to be negative?


When you are on an island "your words" and you are a very good stallion and there isn't much competition on that island it bloats your success level, especially when your type never come east(why would they?)

You really are the spin dr .. Unusal Heats run in there own backyard against other vermin stallion offspring racking up a bunch of success and you vault him to TREMENDOUS.. Do you really think his type would do nearly as well in open competition? WHOOPS they arent fast enough.. How come Shiek mo hasn't grabbed a superior young phenom turfer or IEAH , lael etc..

Why did Lael buy My Princess Jess after a 76k overnight stake win for reportedly 7 figs.. Where are the examples of major racing concerns spending huge money for such early talented winners?. Every year we see people spending millions for lightly raced huge potential stock.. You know like Dutrows two colts this year Big Brown (a boundary noless) the Golphins from last year.. Where are all these UH's? you know the dynamic Peace Rules(jule) types or War Emblem types or the Lido Palace from last year.. geez I just don't recall this TREMENDOUS stallion producing anything that has ignited someone to step out.. Mind you pedigree is NOT the issue as the horses I listed are D Funnybone types which are long on potential and short on page.

DrugS when you get a minute get the yearling stats and 2 year old in training sales figs posted... I would imagine this stallion has to be American racings best kept secret!!

The Indomitable DrugS 10-14-2009 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
DrugS when you get a minute get the yearling stats and 2 year old in training sales figs posted... I would imagine this stallion has to be American racings best kept secret!!



Unusual Heat actually sold for 250K at Barrett's March 2yo sale.

I don't know what's oddest...

A.) That a horse bought at a 2yo sale in So Cal would go Europe to So Cal.

B.) The dam was bred in Denmark (I can't locate it on a map and I didn't even know they run horses there)

C.) The horse was claimed - was vanned off while winning a claiming race less than 3 weeks later - and eventually became a Cannon Shell adored stallion.

D.) This picture :

freddymo 10-14-2009 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Unusual Heat actually sold for 250K at Barrett's March 2yo sale.

I don't know what's oddest...

A.) That a horse bought at a 2yo sale in So Cal would go Europe to So Cal.

B.) The dam was bred in Denmark (I can't locate it on a map and I didn't even know they run horses there)

C.) The horse was claimed - was vanned off while winning a claiming race less than 3 weeks later - and eventually became a Cannon Shell adored stallion.

D.) This picture :

These two gals have very famous fathers.. On the right is Crusher Blackwell's daughter on the left is Haystack calhouns youngest daughter. The vertically challenged gentleman with the big smile on his face (who wouldn't be) is Scav the day before his Bar Mitzvah, his mom did get him a nice hair cut and shave before his bigger day..

cmorioles 10-14-2009 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
B.) The dam was bred in Denmark (I can't locate it on a map and I didn't even know they run horses there)

Denmark is fabulous, and not just because of the Carlsberg, probably the best beer in the world.

freddymo 10-14-2009 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Denmark is fabulous, and not just because of the Carlsberg, probably the best beer in the world.

Always nice to see you glow

chucklestheclown 10-14-2009 01:43 PM

Fascinating. How exactly is it "apples and oranges" to compare running her twice in two days to Lava Man's comeback? The arguments both for and against each situation are exactly the same. But I like the concept of making a mockery of the Breeders' Cup.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2009 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
You ripped Freddymo for doing this, yet you proceeded to do exactly the same.

What are you talking about?

Cannon Shell 10-14-2009 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
Fascinating. How exactly is it "apples and oranges" to compare running her twice in two days to Lava Man's comeback? The arguments both for and against each situation are exactly the same. But I like the concept of making a mockery of the Breeders' Cup.

Because horses that are retired due to soundness issues and returned to training have a far greater probability of injury than a horse who to our knowledge has no such history. She is far more likely to simply race poorly than breakdown.

Since when is racing recency tied to breakdowns?

King Glorious 10-14-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Because horses that are retired due to soundness issues and returned to training have a far greater probability of injury than a horse who to our knowledge has no such history. She is far more likely to simply race poorly than breakdown.

Since when is racing recency tied to breakdowns?

But Left Bank said "WHEN the horse snaps a leg"....not if. So it's not a matter of it could happen but it will happen. Left Bank said so.

They might be different cases but both of them could end up with bad results. Or neither could.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
But Left Bank said "WHEN the horse snaps a leg"....not if. So it's not a matter of it could happen but it will happen. Left Bank said so.

They might be different cases but both of them could end up with bad results. Or neither could.

Of course they could but a horse with a history of soundness issues coming back at an advanced age is much more likely to be injured than a horse without those same issues at a much younger age.

The common denominator is injury and there is no reason to believe that Lethal Heat is in any more danger to breakdown by running on back to back days while lava Man is certainly more likely to be injured in is comeback.

While I do agree there would be an uproar about LH getting hurt, there will be an uproar about any horse getting hurt. Plus no one knows who she is anyway.

letswastemoney 10-14-2009 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
It is curious that Unusual Heat has not been purchased by another outfit to stand him in Kentucky or elsewhere. I am not jabbing here, just wondering.

He's a goldmine for Abrams. It would take them years to find another Unusual Heat, so why not just keep him?

Cannon Shell 10-14-2009 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
It is curious that Unusual Heat has not been purchased by another outfit to stand him in Kentucky or elsewhere. I am not jabbing here, just wondering.

He is 19 year old

chucklestheclown 10-15-2009 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Of course they could but a horse with a history of soundness issues coming back at an advanced age is much more likely to be injured than a horse without those same issues at a much younger age.

The common denominator is injury and there is no reason to believe that Lethal Heat is in any more danger to breakdown by running on back to back days while lava Man is certainly more likely to be injured in is comeback.
While I do agree there would be an uproar about LH getting hurt, there will be an uproar about any horse getting hurt. Plus no one knows who she is anyway.

I thought you were a trainer. Do you seriously believe that?
Let's just forget the fact that you think Lethal Heat is an unknown compared to Lava Man when it comes to the Peta-People.
If you think they know the difference you are WAY off base.


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