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Cannon Shell 08-26-2009 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Chuck he has won more then a couple. He is dominating. He just ran second in another one this past Saturday. A NY bred that the barn is high on. Mclaughlin has been a disaster so far at Saratoga w/ 2 yr olds.

I expect you to miss the point. But I will make one more attempt to explain especially if you promise to show up online for the NBA draft next year.
The fact is that a very small number of trainers get a disportionate number of the best young horses. These trainers cant possibly run all their horses at Saratoga so they send them out of town or simply delay running them because they can only race so many horses in a given race. Then there is the factor of impressive maidens or winners being bought and given to these same few trainers. The competitive balance that used to exist, no longer exists because the few control the many. It isnt about what HAS happened at Saratoga, it is what HASNT happened.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-26-2009 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Please with Rick Violette. Winning a couple of maiden races with a cheap horse isnt what we are talking about.

Again Pletcher, McLaughlin and Assmussen each all have more two year olds training in places other than Saratoga than Rick Violette has total horses.

Violette clearly has more 2yo debut wins at Saratoga over the course of this decade than two of the 3 trainers you mention.

He's also easily tops all trainers for best group of 2yo's unleashed so far this year with Worstcasescenerio, Bulls and Bears, Not Macho Any More, Capitalisim At Risk, and Fenway Faithful.

Again - you said that four or five guys get all the good 2yo's .. what you mean is that they get a high volume of choicy homebreds and expensive yearlings.

Just like Rick Violette dominates these 2yo races at Saratoga because he goes out and gets athletes without fancy pedigree and conformation.

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Violette clearly has more 2yo debut wins at Saratoga over the course of this decade than two of the 3 trainers you mention.

He's also easily tops all trainers for best group of 2yo's unleashed so far this year with Worstcasescenerio, Bulls and Bears, Not Macho Any More, Capitalisim At Risk, and Fenway Faithful.

Again - you said that four or five guys get all the good 2yo's .. what you mean is that they get a high volume of choicy homebreds and expensive yearlings.

Just like Rick Violette dominates these 2yo races at Saratoga because he goes out and gets athletes without fancy pedigree and conformation.

You are having comprehension issues also but dont provide any oo the comedy that PG1985 does

The Indomitable DrugS 08-27-2009 12:09 AM

I'm mostly messing with you - but who are the good Pletcher and McLaughlin 2-year-olds we have seen so far?

gales0678 08-27-2009 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I'm mostly messing with you - but who are the good Pletcher and McLaughlin 2-year-olds we have seen so far?


The Green Monkey ?

CSC 08-27-2009 07:01 AM

One guy that has totally fallen off of the radar that surprisingly isn't mentioned anymore is? He was a multiple Eclipse winning Trainer...

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 08:51 AM

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One guy that has totally fallen off of the radar that surprisingly isn't mentioned anymore is? He was a multiple Eclipse winning Trainer...

Frankel is very sick and turning horses down.

Sightseek 08-27-2009 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Frankel is very sick and turning horses down.

Any word if he is getting better?

RockHardTen1985 08-27-2009 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I expect you to miss the point. But I will make one more attempt to explain especially if you promise to show up online for the NBA draft next year.
The fact is that a very small number of trainers get a disportionate number of the best young horses. These trainers cant possibly run all their horses at Saratoga so they send them out of town or simply delay running them because they can only race so many horses in a given race. Then there is the factor of impressive maidens or winners being bought and given to these same few trainers. The competitive balance that used to exist, no longer exists because the few control the many. It isnt about what HAS happened at Saratoga, it is what HASNT happened.

Chuck this first sentence is NOT NICE.

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Chuck this first sentence is NOT NICE.

I retract it. Please accept my deepest apologizes and promise to not mention the Miami Dolphins or Arizona Wildcats for the rest of the year.

CSC 08-27-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Frankel is very sick and turning horses down.

I read that here a few weeks ago, though it wasn't substantiated. It makes sense, his profile has been drastically reduced the past few years. I remember vividly that one weekend he and Bailey won almost every stake on the shed at the Spa.

RockHardTen1985 08-27-2009 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I retract it. Please accept my deepest apologizes and promise to not mention the Miami Dolphins or Arizona Wildcats for the rest of the year.

I promise, I will give you my all SPORT PICKS right now.

Mlb- Yankees-Rockies WS- Yankees win

NCAA Football- Florida cruises, Penn St might get there

NFL- Patriots-Eagles SB--- Patriots win..... Ravens and Vikings are both going to be REALLY GOOD.

NBA- Celtics-Spurs Finals- Celtics win, lakers and cavs clearly talented, I beleive the teams I picked both have 1 run left.

Scav 08-27-2009 09:46 AM

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I promise, I will give you my all SPORT PICKS right now.

Mlb- Yankees-Rockies WS- Yankees win

NCAA Football- Florida cruises, Penn St might get there

NFL- Patriots-Eagles SB--- Patriots win..... Ravens and Vikings are both going to be REALLY GOOD.

NBA- Celtics-Spurs Finals- Celtics win, lakers and cavs clearly talented, I beleive the teams I picked both have 1 run left.

LOCK CITY this YEAR!!!

:D :D :D

Go Bears :)

RockHardTen1985 08-27-2009 09:47 AM

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LOCK CITY this YEAR!!!

:D :D :D

Go Bears :)


I know your a Chicago guy, but they are a few parts away. No weapons.

Bigsmc 08-27-2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I know your a Chicago guy, but they are a few parts away. No weapons.

Scavarino,

You're golden.

:tro:

Scav 08-27-2009 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Scavarino,

You're golden.

:tro:

Enroute to Vegas RIGHT NOW!! :)

I got into that Survivor thing, picked the Bears OPENING WEEK :)

Coach Pants 08-27-2009 10:45 AM

The season is over two weeks away and I'm already sick of hearing about the Patsies.

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I promise, I will give you my all SPORT PICKS right now.

Mlb- Yankees-Rockies WS- Yankees win

NCAA Football- Florida cruises, Penn St might get there

NFL- Patriots-Eagles SB--- Patriots win..... Ravens and Vikings are both going to be REALLY GOOD.

NBA- Celtics-Spurs Finals- Celtics win, lakers and cavs clearly talented, I beleive the teams I picked both have 1 run left.

Thanks for the help. Any thoughts on college basketball?

RockHardTen1985 08-27-2009 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Thanks for the help. Any thoughts on college basketball?


Not yet.... When are we going to meet?

GPK 08-27-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Not yet.... When are we going to meet?


If you meet him, don't let him tell you he's taking you to see Rock Hard Ten...it's a trap.


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