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10 pnt move up 05-25-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dean smith
Here's a bunch of 200 lb. guys arguing about how to race ride a horse. C'mon. Douglas himself would probably tell you these things happen once or twice a race and when there are catastrophic incidents such as these they are freak happenings. It sure looked like an accident to me when I saw it on YouTube. It's a dangerous sport. No need to crucify someone for trying to put his horse in position to win.

crucify seems a bit strong for stating the fact he caused the accident.

Riot 05-25-2009 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
crucify seems a bit strong for stating the fact he caused the accident.

That's not what was said. What was said was:

"He knew Douglas had more horse. He saw a spot open for Douglas. Knew he would win if he took it. So he made damn sure he couldn't take it"

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-25-2009 09:50 PM

and i know for a fact that hospital bad..dr.nick from the simpsons could have been on call...

Scav 05-25-2009 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
That's not what was said. What was said was:

"He knew Douglas had more horse. He saw a spot open for Douglas. Knew he would win if he took it. So he made damn sure he couldn't take it"

I don't know about that, I didn't think Douglas was going anywhere with that horse.

dean smith 05-25-2009 09:50 PM

Fine. "Crucify" is too strong. How about "call for his head?"

Riot 05-25-2009 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
and i know for a fact that hospital bad..dr.nick from the simpsons could have been on call...

And I know for a fact it's a terrific Level One trauma center. I was a paramedic out of that hospital system for years and I'll defend it against comments such as yours. I'd chose that hospital out of several in the NW suburbs if I had to. Your comment about "on call" shows you don't even understand how that ER is staffed.

Riot 05-25-2009 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dean smith
Fine. "Crucify" is too strong. How about "call for his head?"

So you, too, think Theriot deliberately took his path?

Danzig 05-25-2009 10:05 PM

i think he went for a path without making sure it was a clear one. i don't know that cutting off douglas was intentional, but it turned out to be disastrous.

Riot 05-25-2009 10:21 PM

From Blood-Horse:

Theriot was given 30 days for, “... permitting his mount, Sky Mom, to jostle another horse during the running of the (Arlington Matron)… causing the jostled horse to clip heels and fall, injuring both jockey and horse.”

"My thoughts and prayers go out to Rene and his family," a tearful Theriot said May 25 in an interview with The Blood-Horse. "I really, truly, feel horrible about what happened. I've never been put in this kind of situation. I feel for his wife, his kids, himself ... Every time we put these boots on, all of us don’t know what’s in store, but I never thought I would be part of something like this. I really, really hurt inside over what happened."

docicu3 05-25-2009 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i think he went for a path without making sure it was a clear one. i don't know that cutting off douglas was intentional, but it turned out to be disastrous.

1) Don't we have "aggressive jocks" who straddle the line between aggressive and insane rides on all the major circuits. Plug in a name in New York, KY, or So Cal and you'll find riders who try to alter the laws of physics.

2) Chicago is one of the 3 or 4 best cities in the country for trauma care. Most Level 1 trauma centers work two rotating teams on 24 hour QOD call for the trauma service. The ED does initial assessment but the trauma team on call is aware of an incoming patient before they hit the door and assumes care almost immediately.

The whole thing is tragic but Rene may have been exceedingly lucky because of the city it happened in. Sometimes the outcome of an act determines how we view the intent.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-25-2009 10:48 PM

http://www.hbpa.org/HorsemensJournal...on=3&key1=3853

As far as "Cajun" riding goes, it refers to a comment made by Eddie Martin when he won the biggest race of the Claiming Crown. He fouled, and they let it go(big f'n surprise.) Then, after the results became official, Eddie Martin said to send Tyler Baze down to Louisiana for some schooling. Not only that, but in the Delta Jackpot, Garrett Gomez and another jock (Calvin Borel I think) sandwiched a horse badly. The stewards saw fit to simply ignore that, and Gomez n' Borel split the top prize(deadheat.) There is a history of ignoring infractions in Louisiana, and I do not see it as a coincidence that the rider who fouled Douglas has ridden most of his career in Louisiana. This is the state that gave a license to ride to a coke head that was so drunk he couldn't keep his car straight (in line)when trying to get some fast food at a drive thru.

Danzig 05-25-2009 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
1) Don't we have "aggressive jocks" who straddle the line between aggressive and insane rides on all the major circuits. Plug in a name in New York, KY, or So Cal and you'll find riders who try to alter the laws of physics.

2) Chicago is one of the 3 or 4 best cities in the country for trauma care. Most Level 1 trauma centers work two rotating teams on 24 hour QOD call for the trauma service. The ED does initial assessment but the trauma team on call is aware of an incoming patient before they hit the door and assumes care almost immediately.

The whole thing is tragic but Rene may have been exceedingly lucky because of the city it happened in. Sometimes the outcome of an act determines how we view the intent.

like they say, it's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.

Danzig 05-25-2009 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
http://www.hbpa.org/HorsemensJournal...on=3&key1=3853

As far as "Cajun" riding goes, it refers to a comment made by Eddie Martin when he won the biggest race of the Claiming Crown. He fouled, and they let it go(big f'n surprise.) Then, after the results became official, Eddie Martin said to send Tyler Baze down to Louisiana for some schooling. Not only that, but in the Delta Jackpot, Garrett Gomez and another jock (Calvin Borel I think) sandwiched a horse badly. The stewards saw fit to simply ignore that, and Gomez n' Borel split the top prize(deadheat.) There is a history of ignoring infractions in Louisiana, and I do not see it as a coincidence that the rider who fouled Douglas has ridden most of his career in Louisiana. This is the state that gave a license to ride to a coke head that was so drunk he couldn't keep his car straight (in line)when trying to get some fast food at a drive thru.


sounds like the chrb.

the_fat_man 05-25-2009 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
http://www.hbpa.org/HorsemensJournal...on=3&key1=3853

As far as "Cajun" riding goes, it refers to a comment made by Eddie Martin when he won the biggest race of the Claiming Crown. He fouled, and they let it go(big f'n surprise.) Then, after the results became official, Eddie Martin said to send Tyler Baze down to Louisiana for some schooling. Not only that, but in the Delta Jackpot, Garrett Gomez and another jock (Calvin Borel I think) sandwiched a horse badly. The stewards saw fit to simply ignore that, and Gomez n' Borel split the top prize(deadheat.) There is a history of ignoring infractions in Louisiana, and I do not see it as a coincidence that the rider who fouled Douglas has ridden most of his career in Louisiana. This is the state that gave a license to ride to a coke head that was so drunk he couldn't keep his car straight (in line)when trying to get some fast food at a drive thru.

I think in your own convoluted way you've FINALLY hit the nail on the head: it's not about the jockeys but the stewards. There's rough riding all the time, and the stewards choose to ignore it. For example, HERDING is allowed at just about every track. And, herding is every bit as dangerous, if not more so, than what Theriot is supposed to have done. Riders are going high speeds, in tight packs, with hard to control/predict animals, and a bunch of jerkoffs are in charge of policing them. Of course, they do have their degrees from STEWARDS SCHOOL. :rolleyes:

In watching the replay, I saw a jock going for a hole that closed when Desormeaux come in when he entered the stretch, and another jock that was too close to the action to be able to recover in time. I thought Kent was every bit at fault as Theriot. In other words, I blame neither for what happened. I just accept it as a negative part of this type of event. This type of **** happens. It's unfortunate that someone was injured (and a horse was killed) but those participating know the risks. Everything else is just post event rhetoric.

chucklestheclown 05-25-2009 11:11 PM

http://www.nmh.org/nmh/specialtiesan...ncymedical.htm
You can try and judge the place for yourself off of this. I've been there and won't be back, God willing.

10 pnt move up 05-25-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
That's not what was said. What was said was:

"He knew Douglas had more horse. He saw a spot open for Douglas. Knew he would win if he took it. So he made damn sure he couldn't take it"

Dougless did not have any horse IMO, he was tiring and the rider got impatient on the horse who had saved all the ground.

dean smith 05-26-2009 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
So you, too, think Theriot deliberately took his path?

What are you talking about? I was defending the guy. One of these armchair stewards said my use of "crucify" was too strong. If they're not trying to crucify Theriot, then at least they're "calling for his head."

Nevermind. I'm on the rider's side. Terrible, freak accident. I don't think Theriot was out there tradin' paint intentionally.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-26-2009 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
And I know for a fact it's a terrific Level One trauma center. I was a paramedic out of that hospital system for years and I'll defend it against comments such as yours. I'd chose that hospital out of several in the NW suburbs if I had to. Your comment about "on call" shows you don't even understand how that ER is staffed.

so they just have a spinal surgon/specialist sitting around in case he is needed..that is what on call means..

GBBob 05-26-2009 07:36 AM

Very nice piece on Rene and his early days along with lots of videos

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/racin...d-caltech.aspx

ELA 05-26-2009 09:43 AM

Not for anything whatsoever, but blame, fault, coming in, getting out, had horse, didn't have horse -- none of this matters now at all. Not at all.

Let's all just keep hoping for the best for Rene and his family.

Eric


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