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Bobby Fischer 05-16-2009 05:17 PM

Friesan Fire 9-1

Bobby Fischer 05-16-2009 05:23 PM

Girl Power
 
All right! Rachel Alexandra 1st filly in 85 years:{>:

eajinabi 05-16-2009 05:27 PM

A lot of respect for Mine That Bird. He gets the rail trip, he wins for sure

Payson Dave 05-16-2009 05:28 PM

No Shame in the effort that Mine That Bird put in....has beaten all the other the colts twice now

cowgirlintexas 05-16-2009 05:40 PM

What started out as a bit of a "ho hum" Derby/Triple Crown trail finally has some excitement. Looking forward to see if they both move on to the Belmont.
Great race!

King Glorious 05-16-2009 05:54 PM

Hopefully, this helps to put an end to people thinking fillies can't run with the boys. Fillies have won two of the past six TC races and the last three fillies have two wins and a second. You can't win if you can't play. Thank you to Jess Jackson for having the courage to take a shot. People will remember Rachel. Hopefully one day Zenyatta gets her chance. Maybe Jackson can buy her too?

herkhorse 05-16-2009 06:19 PM

I thought Big Drama ran a pretty good race, considering he probably left some at the gate.

Big props to the filly and Mine That Bird.:tro:

Smooth Operator 05-16-2009 06:29 PM

Easier at this point ... but ya gotta admit, KG ... even an Azeri at the height of her powers (which she wasn't in the '04 BCC, imo, btw) could never hang with a mature stud like a GZ.

Handicappy 05-16-2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
What started out as a bit of a "ho hum" Derby/Triple Crown trail finally has some excitement. Looking forward to see if they both move on to the Belmont.
Great race!

I doubt she runs in the Belmont. She ran very hard and would have gotten caught going longer. She needs a bit of a break. It is a long year and they can have alot of fun with her.

Handicappy 05-16-2009 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse
I thought Big Drama ran a pretty good race, considering he probably left some at the gate.

Big props to the filly and Mine That Bird.:tro:

He left alot at the gate and looked a bit lathered up prior to the gate. He ran terrific for a horse with so little experience and only a 7 f race this year to his credit.

Handicappy 05-16-2009 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payson Dave
No Shame in the effort that Mine That Bird put in....has beaten all the other the colts twice now

And would have gotten Rachel going longer. So impressed with the bird.

King Glorious 05-16-2009 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Easier at this point ... but ya gotta admit, KG ... even an Azeri at the height of her powers (which she wasn't in the '04 BCC, imo, btw) could never hang with a mature stud like a GZ.

GZ was a freak of nature and his type isn't around every year. It wasn't just a filly that couldn't hang with him. Nobody could. But in 2002, I would have thought she'd have had a chance against the likes of Volponi.

Bobby Fischer 05-16-2009 06:42 PM

guess I was wrong about Friesan Fire
 
my man Friesan went to his knees out of the gate , and went way faster than he needed to early, as well as getting herded directly by Valazquez early...

he just got eaten up in the big race once again

but I can't really say he would have been competitive with a better trip.
It wasn't an impossible trip and he really stopped. It was a lot better trip than the derby.

I still think he is a good horse, but definitely have major doubts

I wonder if he heads to NY for the test of champions?

Sightseek 05-16-2009 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
my man Friesan went to his knees out of the gate , and went way faster than he needed to early, as well as getting herded directly by Valazquez early...

he just got eaten up in the big race once again

but I can't really say he would have been competitive with a better trip.
It wasn't an impossible trip and he really stopped. It was a lot better trip than the derby.

I still think he is a good horse, but definitely have major doubts

I wonder if he heads to NY for the test of champions?

I think he has to redirect to the minor Derbies and he could possibly find the Winner's Circle again.

ArlJim78 05-16-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
my man Friesan went to his knees out of the gate , and went way faster than he needed to early, as well as getting herded directly by Valazquez early...

he just got eaten up in the big race once again

but I can't really say he would have been competitive with a better trip.
It wasn't an impossible trip and he really stopped. It was a lot better trip than the derby.

I still think he is a good horse, but definitely have major doubts

I wonder if he heads to NY for the test of champions?

do you really? I would think there is no chance in hell he'd go to NY after these last two races.

King Glorious 05-16-2009 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I think he has to redirect to the minor Derbies and he could possibly find the Winner's Circle again.

Running like he has in the last two, I wouldn't pick him in the Pomona Derby.

Bobby Fischer 05-16-2009 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
do you really? I would think there is no chance in hell he'd go to NY after these last two races.

i hope he doesn't. I don't have the confidence to key around around him, but without seeing him break cleanly and settle into his pace I don't have the confidence to toss him. This is a colt I was "sure" was the best classic distance 3yo, and The Belmont was the one race I had no doubts about going into this triple crown. It would cost me more money to wager, I would probably have to pass the race.

Really impossible to like him much at this point. When your pick gets 1 bad trip you feel like you are sitting on a big one for a couple weeks... Two bad trips and it could just as well be the horse. Proven form is different. It would be different if this were the Travers and he already had proven form in the triple crown series, but these "duds" come at the same time of his first dip into top competition, and his Fairgrounds trips were easy trips.

Derby73 05-16-2009 07:48 PM

Well, I'm the guy who sent out the Preakness-Derby trivia earlier (and encouraged on MTB). It's the first time I've hit a Triple Crown Race trifecta, which didn't pay a ton, but it beats the alternative.

Danzig 05-16-2009 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eajinabi
A lot of respect for Mine That Bird. He gets the rail trip, he wins for sure

bullshit


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